Dawkins: Religion no moral compass
September 27th, 2013
05:53 PM ET

Dawkins: Religion no moral compass

By Jason Miks

GPS digital producer Jason Miks sits down with renowned evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins, author of the Selfish Gene and An Appetite for Wonder, to discuss readers’ questions on religion, its role in society and whether children can be described as “Christian.”

A number of readers noting your skepticism over religion’s role in society ask whether an absence of religion would leave us without a moral compass?

The very idea that we get a moral compass from religion is horrible. Not only should we not get our moral compass from religion, as a matter of fact we don’t. We shouldn’t, because if you actually look at the bible or the Koran, and get your moral compass from there, it’s horrible – stoning people to death, stoning people for breaking the Sabbath.

Now of course we don’t do that anymore, but the reason we don’t do it is that we pick out those verses of the bible that we like, and reject those verses we don’t like. What criteria do we use to pick out the good ones and reject the bad ones? Non-biblical criteria, non-religious criteria. The same criteria as guide any modern person in their moral compass that has nothing to do with religion.

So the moral compass of any person is very much a part of the century or even the decade in which they happen to live, regardless of their religion. So we live in the early 21st century, and our moral compass in the early 21st century is quite different from 100 years ago, or 200 years ago. We are now much less racist than they were, much less sexist than they were. We are much kinder than non-human animals than they were – all sorts of respects in which we are labeled with a moral compass. So something has changed, and it certainly has nothing to do with religion.

You’ve been travelling to the States from the U.K. for a number of years. Have you noticed much of a change in the place of religion in the two countries over that time?

Notoriously, the United States is the most religious of the Western advanced nations. It’s a bit mysterious why that is. In Britain, Christianity is dying. Islam, unfortunately, isn’t. In Western Europe generally, Christianity is dying. Even in America, the figures show that religious adherence is being steadily reduced, and the people who now record themselves as having no religious affiliation is something like 20 percent. Many people don’t recognize what a high figure it is, and so politicians here who feel they have to curry favor with religious lobbies should maybe take a look at those statistics and realize that not everyone in this country is religious.

You say it’s a bit of a mystery why America is so much more religious than other advanced countries. Do you have any thoughts on why it might be? Tied to that question of disposition, several readers also wondered if there is a genetic predisposition toward faith?

There probably is, but I don’t think that really explains why America is so different from Britain. The least implausible suggestion that I’ve heard is that Britain and Scandinavian countries, which are also very non-religious, have an established church, and that kind of makes religion boring. Whereas in America, there is constitutionally a bar against an established church, and that could be one reason why religion has become so popular – it has become big business, it has become free enterprise, rival churches vie with each other for congregations and especially tax free ties.

Some readers see you as very evangelical in your atheism. Do you feel it a duty, just as some Christians might to share the word of God, to spread an atheist point of view?

Duty is a funny word. But when you say evangelical, I like to think that I don’t shout or shriek, but employ a quiet, sober voice of reason. And reason is on our side.

You’ve talked about feeling uncomfortable with the impact of religion on children. In fact, one reader asked whether you would prefer to see no under-18s at church. What’s your take?

I certainly wouldn’t wish to prohibit parents influencing their children. However, for the rest of the world, to label a child a Catholic child simply because its parents are Catholic, seems to me to be a form of child abuse. The child is too young to know.

You can see the absurdity of talking about a Catholic child of four when you think what it would be like if we talked about an existentialist child of four, or a logical positivist of four. In other words, we wouldn’t accept the labeling of a child based the parents’ belief, so why do we accept it when it’s religion? Why does religion get a free pass when it comes to labeling children in this way?

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  1. Correctlycenter

    Give up Richard Dawkins. Atheists spend too much time and energy fighting against the obvious Intelligent Designer believers call the Lord God Almighty, Who created all you see, Who supposedly doesn't exist...

    September 28, 2013 at 10:21 pm | Reply
    • Colin

      No, how about you give up?. We are right. You are wrong. Why should we give up when we are right and you are wrong?

      September 28, 2013 at 10:23 pm | Reply
    • Pseudotriton

      in case you're not trolling or being sarcastic, Correctlycenter, please enlighten us with the obvious evidence of this "intelligent designer".

      September 28, 2013 at 10:31 pm | Reply
    • Chris

      ...who place female humans excretory opening next to her easily-infected reproductive opening...who created fish that crawl into your urethra...who gives babies birth defects and horrific diseases...who created an unthinkably massive universe with hundreds of billions of galaxies, each with hundreds of billions of stars, yet created this one tiny, blue planet for his avatars to roam and doesn't want them to diddle themselves...

      Yeah, he's a winner. I'd vote for him.

      September 28, 2013 at 11:47 pm | Reply
    • Phelix Unger

      This is the last real fight your going to have, at least as an open minded individual. The fact that science explains things in a factual manner. Must seem scary to you, but I'm not asking for your opinion to rely on my existence. Now if would like to challenge science with established facts that disprove the current facts, I would be happy to entertain this endeavour. Now for what is unknown, is just that unknown. If that scares you and you need this creation of man to comfort you through this indiscribable feeling the rest of us call reality. Well that's ok, just don't insist I believe and we can make a great team.

      Now that must be really scary.

      September 29, 2013 at 1:14 am | Reply
  2. Colin

    The proof that morality doesn't come from religion is in how the atheists here are having to fend off people named "atheists are evil" and "die atheists". Such hatred is not moral. The christians here need to learn some respect.

    September 28, 2013 at 10:22 pm | Reply
    • Pseudotriton

      but if you take away their hypocrisy, Colin, they'd have no weapon left to perpetuate their delusions.

      September 28, 2013 at 10:33 pm | Reply
    • AtheistsAreEvils

      And atheists are like saints, they're clean and never do wrong? You are either an hypocrites or you just don't read every blogs about religion. There is plenty of atheists attacking people and name calling with no reason at all. And what about atheists supporting people who with their deviant behavior are spreading A I D S and killing mass number of people. Just a few weeks ago one of them infected more than 300 by himself alone. Is this what you atheists are considering having good morals?

      September 28, 2013 at 10:35 pm | Reply
      • burnz

        No, giving 300 people AIDS, is not moral. How about the pope saying the condoms cause AIDS? He's infected millions. Don't like everyone being painted by the worst individuals actions? I bet the guy spreading AIDS believed in God... so does the pope.

        September 28, 2013 at 10:52 pm |
      • AtheistsAreEvils

        The people with their deviant behaviors who are spreading A I D S are godless and are among atheists and supported by atheists.

        September 28, 2013 at 10:59 pm |
      • Colin

        Will you just shut up and go away? Your screen name makes you irrelevant all on its own. Nobody takes you seriously.

        September 28, 2013 at 11:23 pm |
  3. Sue Me

    When the aliens arrive and we inform them that they were created by our Iron Age God who visited the Middle East approximately 198,000 years after our species arose, and that they will burn in hell if they don't accept jesus into their heart...........well.....you figure out what comes next 🙂

    sci-fi is the new religion.

    September 28, 2013 at 10:35 pm | Reply
    • AtheistsAreEvils

      How about wearing a tinfoil hat?

      September 28, 2013 at 10:40 pm | Reply
      • Pseudotriton

        says the person who believes in a invisible old man in the sky. lol

        September 28, 2013 at 11:38 pm |
      • fookinGod

        how about you rising from dead like your myth jesus

        September 28, 2013 at 11:39 pm |
      • AtheistsAreEvils

        Rising from the dead is something very hard to do. How about something more simple like just quit annoying people with your atheists views. We get it you know, we all know that you are godless and you believe that were coming down from monkeys. No need to force this down on us anymore, we got the message clearly.

        September 28, 2013 at 11:49 pm |
      • tevii

        wow. nice handle. "atheistsareevils" nothing says hate like judging one for their beliefs. Not very christian of you is it?
        Ive met more kind hearted atheists and buddhists than any other group, and unfortunately ive met hypocritical sadistic christians (no not all are but i have met some and history is overflowing with them) Atheists are certainly more accepting of other groups, like oh I dont know how about gays, or jews.
        I wonder if people that say Atheists are evil ever even met one.

        September 28, 2013 at 11:58 pm |
      • AtheistsAreEvils

        The name i'm using and the comments i'm making are not directed toward atheists who are having good intentions. The comments i'm making are directed in a reflected way toward those crazy militant atheists who are painting a very bad picture of atheism. I have nothing against atheists who have a mature personality. But those who are a pain in the a$$ , it's a different story.

        September 29, 2013 at 12:25 am |
    • tevii

      Christianity spawned the inquisition, the witch trials, the crusades, the KKK, many believe the nazis themselves, gay bashing, (and MANY MANY MANY MANY more evil in our past) what has atheism done on par to those evils

      September 29, 2013 at 12:02 am | Reply
      • Disillusioned

        While i agree with you about the many heinous evils that religion has done, to answer your question- stalin, pol pot, Mao and more have done quite a bit as far as similiar atrocities go in the name of atheism.

        September 29, 2013 at 12:21 am |
      • independent jim

        Stalin Pol Pot and Mao did their thing because of politics not religion

        September 29, 2013 at 1:18 am |
      • Matt Slick

        What evil has atheism done? http://carm.org/religion-cause-war Check the statistics and see which is bloodier, religion or non religious wars....

        September 29, 2013 at 1:50 am |
      • Disillusioned

        Jim, yes. I know. That was my point. He asked who else besides religious fanatics had committed atrocities. I told him.

        September 29, 2013 at 8:50 am |
  4. Huh?

    When the aliens arrive and we inform them that they were created by our Iron Age God who visited the Middle East approximately 198,000 years after our species arose, and that they will burn in hell if they don't accept jesus into their heart...........well.....you figure out what comes next 🙂

    sci-fi is the new religion.

    September 28, 2013 at 10:37 pm | Reply
    • AtheistsAreEvils

      Posting under two different aliases atheist one? You got caught red handed.

      September 28, 2013 at 10:41 pm | Reply
      • Propatriabellum

        If you religious people are so sure that god(s) exist, then there is no harm in letting us atheists believe what we want and stay cozy warm in the smug knowledge that we will roast in your medieval hell. But as far as public religion, there are 3-4 secular people for every religious person so let's keep it out of government and schools. I really don't want my kids being exposed to your religious babble as anything other than mythology. Right there with the easter bunny and tooth fairy.

        September 28, 2013 at 10:58 pm |
      • AtheistsAreEvils

        I have no problem about you staying warm and cozy with your monkey ancestors and Dawkins comparing you with animals.. We only want you to stop invading every religious blogs on the internet to insult people for no reason. And please don't start telling me how frustrated because we are in 2013 and religions are still spread across the world. There are things in this world that are frustrating to me, but i don't cry and whine about it all the time. We are all people different from each others from many aspects, either it being religions, $exual preferences, food choices ect....You can't fight against the whole planet just because there are things that you don't like that others do like. It's very immature and childish.

        September 28, 2013 at 11:58 pm |
      • Pseudotriton

        Speaking like a true hypocrite there, AtheistsAreEvils. You have been the biggest whiner on this thread tonight. And you complain about atheists trolling on religious blogs? Have you seen some of the hateful comments religitards leave on science and reason pages, some run by Richard Dawkins himself?

        September 29, 2013 at 12:07 am |
      • Pseudotriton

        and whether you like it or not, humans ARE animals and we share a common ancestor with apes (not monkeys). That's just scientific fact. You have complained about that repeatedly tonight, so I doubt you have truly reconciled with that.

        September 29, 2013 at 12:09 am |
      • AtheistsAreEvils

        No sir i'm not an hypocrites. Is is true that i'm on a blog that don't belongs to me. I just wanted to show you how it feels like when your militant atheists are coming to religious blogs to cause trouble. I have nothing against atheists that are looking forward a better world with good intentions and purposes. I have nothing against atheists that respect other people who have religion in their life. I am aware that there are militant activists on both side and are attacking each others. But i do believe that it is our job and duty for both atheists and religious people to separate ourselves from those militant activist from both sides. Only then, both atheists and religious people could cooperate together to bring this world to a higher and better level.

        September 29, 2013 at 12:39 am |
      • Nerofunk

        While Pol pot, Mao, and Stalin happened to be atheists, their genocides had nothing to do with athesim. This is the same kind of logic that leads people to think that metal and video games cause mass shootings. A person who does not believe in god who also happens to be crazy is not the same as a person who strictly does a terrible deed in the name of religion. I suggest going back to school and taking some kind of logic class before embarrassing yourself on the internet in the future.

        September 29, 2013 at 12:56 am |
      • AtheistsAreEvils

        @Nerofunk

        My negative comments are for atheists like yourself. Read my other comments about atheism. I am aware that there are bad apples on both sides. But read my other comments on atheism and atheists with good intentions.

        September 29, 2013 at 1:03 am |
    • AtheistsAreEvils

      @Propatriabellum

      Is this your third aliases you're going by now lol Try again.

      September 28, 2013 at 11:01 pm | Reply
  5. biobraine

    Reading through these posts, I see a lot of anger and hate from the religious folk on this board. I know you aren't all that way but the posts I'm seeing from you guys against atheists is somewhat surprising. How does this help your cause? Aren't you guys supposed to have the moral high ground? Aren't you certain you are saved and we are doomed? Shouldn't you be in complete peace? Why do you care what we don't believe? None of this will matter when you are in heaven right?

    September 28, 2013 at 10:38 pm | Reply
    • CD

      Because atheists come off very condescending on here.

      September 28, 2013 at 10:47 pm | Reply
      • CD

        *Some, not all.

        September 28, 2013 at 10:49 pm |
      • donna

        So your religion's moral code teaches you to be hateful if you perceive someone is being condescending?

        September 28, 2013 at 10:58 pm |
      • Colin

        No way! The atheists on here have said many awesome things. I love the atheists writing on here. They are so thoughtful and courteous despite the fact that they have to put up with trolls like the people bashing them here.

        September 28, 2013 at 11:35 pm |
      • Pseudotriton

        "atheists come off as condescending"... so says someone who claims that there can be no morals without the religion that they are indoctrinated with.

        September 28, 2013 at 11:42 pm |
      • CD

        That's my first post, so I don't believe I have claimed anything else

        September 28, 2013 at 11:48 pm |
      • CD

        And please quote where I was being "hateful"

        September 28, 2013 at 11:49 pm |
      • donna

        CD, I never claimed you were being hateful. You replied to a question ABOUT religious posters being angry and hateful and you DEFENDED their behavior.

        Or was your use of "because" and the reply button not intended to indicate you were replying to biobraine's comment?

        September 28, 2013 at 11:57 pm |
      • HJC

        I too find the Bible confusing. It is confusing. However Dawkins is looking back at the Bible with his modern man point of view.The Bible is very much a book of the times it was written in.

        The New Testament identifies a new deal with God: the Old Testament agreement is over. The New Deal is that we love each other. Unfortunately men did not adapt to this new deal quickly. Things have gotten much better though as Dawkins points out.

        September 29, 2013 at 12:02 am |
      • AtheistsAreEvils

        @HJC

        I am a religious person, but i am not going to churches or practice my belief among groups. It is a personal thing for me. I respect atheists or other religious people who are not crazy fanatics. I agree that there are things in the bible that are not worthy of doing just as i'm aware that there are atheists spoke person that also has parts of their philosophy that are not worth to be taken seriously. A religious fanatic can be a very dangerous person just as a fanatic atheists person.

        That is why i keep saying that i feel it is our job and duty for both religious and atheists people to disconnect and separate ourselves from those fanatics on both sides. Without them we would be in a better position to cooperate and working together under a better position to bring this world to a higher level. Our differences in beliefs are not and should never a barrier, only our good intentions and purposes are needed. Respect from both sides are to be applied here. But i don't see a problem here with that, as long as we won't have fanatics on both sides to interfere and creates confusions with our works to make this world a better place to love in.

        September 29, 2013 at 1:19 am |
      • AtheistsAreEvils

        I meant " a better place to live in"

        September 29, 2013 at 1:20 am |
    • AtheistsAreEvils

      Firs of all, you have to be either a really naive person or simply an hypocrite one. I have seen more atheists attacking religious people on internet blogs than any other groups of people. And that's the truth.

      September 28, 2013 at 10:49 pm | Reply
      • AtheistsAreEvils

        I meant "First of all"

        September 28, 2013 at 10:49 pm |
      • biobraine

        As an example, just look at your name. Pretty judgmental. Aren't you guys not supposed to judge?

        September 28, 2013 at 10:53 pm |
      • AtheistsAreEvils

        Oh i do judge others just like you do. I don't pretend to be perfect in any ways and more intelligent than anyone else like you do. Do you have any more questions?

        September 28, 2013 at 11:02 pm |
      • condescending and smirking

        do you also mean "a hypocritical one"? I hope you are trolling....

        September 28, 2013 at 11:07 pm |
      • AtheistsAreEvils

        Are you that stupid? I admitted to judging others and you are calling me an hypocrite?

        September 28, 2013 at 11:11 pm |
      • condescending and smirking

        you are illiterate

        September 28, 2013 at 11:20 pm |
      • AtheistsAreEvils

        Is this the best you can do? Try again because so far you're weak.

        September 28, 2013 at 11:24 pm |
      • fookinGod

        like you AtheistareEvil

        September 28, 2013 at 11:38 pm |
      • fookinGod

        you're the one attacking the atheist. by the way I used to be a pastor

        September 28, 2013 at 11:41 pm |
      • AtheistsAreEvils

        And i used to be Elvis Presley.

        September 28, 2013 at 11:59 pm |
      • junas

        Your god is evil that is what is inspiring you to be on the attack against anybody who disagrees with your beliefs.

        September 29, 2013 at 3:31 pm |
    • mikaman3000

      Do yourself a favor.....don't accuse other's of hate and then follow it up w/ nothing but condescending remarks towards them. All that does is prove that you have just as much hate for them as they do you. Hate is hate regardless of which direction it's facing.

      September 28, 2013 at 10:52 pm | Reply
      • biobraine

        There was nothing condescending in my remarks. Wouldn't a Christian agree with what I said?

        September 28, 2013 at 10:54 pm |
      • biobraine

        PS, debating is not the same thing as hate.

        September 28, 2013 at 10:56 pm |
      • donna

        I didn't see any hate in those comments. They were legitimate questions.

        September 28, 2013 at 10:57 pm |
      • Pseudotriton

        I think you're trying to tell that to "AtheistsAreEvils", am I right?

        September 28, 2013 at 11:44 pm |
    • CD

      I don't speak for anyone else, that was my personal opinion.

      September 29, 2013 at 12:06 am | Reply
      • donna

        OK CD, so you're saying that the reason YOU are angry and hateful towards atheists on this board is because you find some of them to be condescending?

        September 29, 2013 at 12:17 am |
    • Disillusioned

      . I only make points that there are valid and logical reasons to also believe and have faith, and that I get quite tired of hearing people that have faith of some sort are stupid and always back conservative policy. Neither of which are true. Otherwise I could care less. It's fun to debate and explain why I believe as I do, or ask why you believe as you do, but when it comes down to it- think what you want.

      September 29, 2013 at 12:28 am | Reply
  6. wilma

    its crazy how much i agree with this guy

    September 28, 2013 at 10:46 pm | Reply
    • Andrew

      Actually, it's quite sane to agree with him.

      September 29, 2013 at 12:14 am | Reply
  7. Spud

    We're confusing God and religion. One can believe in God and not partake in organized religion. This argument is as stupid as the supposed war between science and religion. The only gap is in ignorant people.

    September 28, 2013 at 10:50 pm | Reply
    • thisdesertlife09

      Yes the gap is ignorant people. But there are so many, the gap is gigantic.

      September 29, 2013 at 12:00 am | Reply
    • Disillusioned

      Exactly.

      September 29, 2013 at 12:04 am | Reply
  8. Trailboss

    Your group can't even serve this country because of your beliefs. The last time I watched C-SPAN I notice both house's open with a prayer. What are going to do stand outside until the prayer is over ? the you will not consider as a part of the country. o my GOD you want special considerations sorry this country don't work that way we are one nation under GOD.

    September 28, 2013 at 10:53 pm | Reply
    • donna

      Can't serve the country? Maybe you should read about atheists in the military...

      September 28, 2013 at 10:55 pm | Reply
    • Propatriabellum

      Can't serve this country? I'm an Infantryman and have served since 1988. Still serving; still an atheist. I don't need to believe in a silly story to love my country. Religion is the nonsense that has sent me to war several times. Islam, christianity, whatever. It's all nonsense.

      September 28, 2013 at 11:02 pm | Reply
    • tl186

      Nobody is asking for special considerations – Dawkins and other atheists are only suggesting that religion is outdated and not the best way (or even the most common way) for modern people to form a moral code. He very rightly points out the fact that even people who claim to be "religious" regularly pick and choose the parts of their religion that they like and discard those that they don't (I was raised Catholic – my mom called these types "Cafeteria Catholics").

      September 28, 2013 at 11:02 pm | Reply
    • Chris

      Capitalizing GOD makes him real.

      September 28, 2013 at 11:26 pm | Reply
    • Incredulous45

      "we are one nation under GOD" That did not happen until the mid 20th century. History can be very enlightening.

      September 28, 2013 at 11:29 pm | Reply
    • Colin

      How about YOU get out of MY country, trail boss.

      September 28, 2013 at 11:38 pm | Reply
    • fookinGod

      god who? allah Boooom or jesus aka joseph smith lds? or pope from Vatican? or Jehovah? too many gods must be a mythology

      September 28, 2013 at 11:44 pm | Reply
      • AtheistsAreEvils

        @fookingod

        Sam this new alias of yours still showing who you are.

        September 29, 2013 at 12:01 am |
  9. B Guit

    Does atheism bring inner peace, joy, diection, meaning, good purpose in life, positive thinking, and a reason to live and a reason to die? Does atheism teaches love, mercy, altruism, discipline, commitment, and altruism? Answers to this question will determine whether I and many others will reject or accept atheism.

    September 28, 2013 at 11:01 pm | Reply
    • AtheistsAreEvils

      Atheists do none of the above.

      September 28, 2013 at 11:06 pm | Reply
      • artisgreat

        You continue to disagree with everything anyone says but you never give any facts to back it up .I think you are a Troll

        September 28, 2013 at 11:18 pm |
      • Colin

        I am an atheist and I do all those things. In fact, my friends are getting a laugh from this comment of yours because those who know me know I fit for justice every day of my life. I've already stated this about 3 or 4 times to you. It never makes you shut up though. Are you incapable of shutting up? Do you like to hear yourself speak? Can you not get laid or something? Please go away.

        September 28, 2013 at 11:40 pm |
      • AtheistsAreEvilsIsEvil

        'nuff said.

        September 28, 2013 at 11:55 pm |
      • AtheistsAreEvils

        Sam, i can't believe after all the months that you still enjoy taking other people names to post stupid comments. You are giving atheism a bad name by your childish actions.

        September 29, 2013 at 12:03 am |
      • AtheistsAreEvils

        I meant "after all these months"

        September 29, 2013 at 12:03 am |
    • tl186

      Yes. In the atheistic philosophy, working to better your own life and that of your fellow man is its own reward, rather than working to please an imaginary deity in the sky. Death is trickier, but I would suppose that the best way to explain it is that atheists accept that everyone dies, and therefore we should make the best use of our time on this planet that we can (rather than relying on Heaven to make up for everything).

      September 28, 2013 at 11:07 pm | Reply
      • donna

        There is no atheistic philosophy.

        September 28, 2013 at 11:13 pm |
      • AtheistsAreEvils

        Since atheists are so like saints, then tell me why atheists are invading religious blogs on the internet and are insulting and attacking people who never did anything wrong to deserve such a thing. Don't come telling me that this never happened.

        September 28, 2013 at 11:14 pm |
      • tl186

        @donna: Perhaps that is true. I can only speak to what I personally have taken from atheism.

        September 28, 2013 at 11:18 pm |
      • tl186

        @AtheistsAreEvils: I'm sorry that atheists on the Internet have offended you. I just don't understand what that has to do with this discussion.

        September 28, 2013 at 11:19 pm |
      • AtheistsAreEvils

        I responded to you because you painted atheists like they were saints. I proved you otherwise. Of course there are bad people on both side, religious and atheists. But i'm not talking about me being offended by atheists, i can take care of myself pretty good. But i was pointing at the fact that more and more atheists are attacking people on internet blogs who were having peaceful conversations until atheists showed up and started their BS. I'm questioning atheism a lot after seeing this going on and on, every single day. If this is not the way atheists are then maybe there are militant atheists among you, and you should separate yourselves from those militants, because they really give atheism a bad name.

        September 28, 2013 at 11:31 pm |
      • tl186

        @AtheistsAreEvils: My intent was not to paint atheists as "saints." In fact, my mother's side of the family are Ukrainian and escaped the famine there in the 30's (created by the Communists). I was just responding to the earlier poster's question about what the IDEALS of atheism are. In talking about ideals, it is necessary to describe philosophies that human behavior will not always match (I'm sure you're familiar with this from the religious side, as well). "donna" pointed out, quite correctly, that atheism in general does not have an ideology – it just means not believing in God. All I was saying is the way that I try to live. I am truly saddened and embarrassed by boorish behavior on the part of other atheists, and if I had any sort of power within the atheist community I would be happy to speak against it.

        September 28, 2013 at 11:43 pm |
      • fookinGod

        @atheistsareevils
        same like you attacking atheist. we don't want your salvation to live in heaven or be rewarded with 72 virgins. atheist like warm hot hell. its cozy down there.

        September 28, 2013 at 11:50 pm |
      • AtheistsAreEvils

        @tl186

        I do apologize for my behavior that i had toward you. Now you are the kind of atheist i can sit and have a mature conversation with. I totally agree with you, there's not much i can add, you pretty much said what needed to be said about the subject. I'm now wondering if those bad impressions some atheists are giving of atheism would be coming from militant atheists. If this is the case then maybe atheists should be separating themselves from these militant atheists because they're actions does not describes the real good intentions about what atheism really means. Again my apologies.

        September 29, 2013 at 12:09 am |
      • tl186

        @AtheistsAreEvils: I appreciate that. You seem like a reasonable individual too. Good luck.

        September 29, 2013 at 2:56 am |
    • donna

      B Guit,

      Atheism is only one thing: a lack in belief in a deity. It's not supposed to teach you anything, it's not a set of beliefs.
      You may as well be asking if you gain all of those things from believing that unicorns don't exist.

      But atheists do get all of those things from a variety of sources (not the same for all atheists, because we don't share any set of beliefs). And much of it comes from our biology (which we all share). There is a great deal of evidence for altruism, compassion and empathy in non human animals, it's not our exclusive domain.

      If the only way for you have those things in your life is through religion, go for it. Even if it's bogus. If it makes you feel better, if it gets you through the day in this crazy world, have at it.

      September 28, 2013 at 11:11 pm | Reply
      • ooo

        Good post Donna,
        I'd like to add "have at it" also except for a caveat. If that belief in some way harms, or ENABLES other to harm, then we have a problem.

        September 28, 2013 at 11:18 pm |
      • donna

        ooo, I certainly agree with that.

        September 28, 2013 at 11:29 pm |
    • CoryT

      Of course it does. How narrow minded to believe that only religion can provide fulfillment of these these subjective ideas.

      September 28, 2013 at 11:13 pm | Reply
    • JJ

      Yes, all of the above

      September 28, 2013 at 11:15 pm | Reply
    • El Lobo

      Aethism doesnt teach my children those things, I do! My kids and I are fine without mythology

      September 28, 2013 at 11:17 pm | Reply
    • Lisa

      Sure it does. The rationale is based not upon pleasing a deity but upon what makes life better for individual, family, and society with balance between short term and long term.

      I don't guess it brings a reason to die but seldom does anyone choose death for a reason – it is simply when our body gives out and I hope most of us will be too tired to care.

      It's difficult to understand why so many seem to assume that only a deity can make us care about the things you mention. There is plenty of reason to care about them – deity or not.

      September 28, 2013 at 11:19 pm | Reply
    • fookinGod

      lok around and you will see the answer. be smart.

      September 28, 2013 at 11:45 pm | Reply
    • Alex

      I am atheist and I actually think you are correct, theism gives better answers to these things. Problem is, that all does not make theism correct. The pairs of all animals species living in Noah's Ark are still extremely improbable event, no matter how much peace of mind your theism can offer you.

      September 28, 2013 at 11:45 pm | Reply
    • thisdesertlife09

      Absolutely! Instead of God, I rely on reason, philosophy, an internal code of ethics, my sense of conscience, and atheism to me is a gift. I know I have one life; then I'm in the ground. Everything counts. There are no do-overs. There is just now. Now is everything!

      September 29, 2013 at 12:02 am | Reply
    • Relictus

      Your question is a variation of "Without God, can an Atheist be moral?". Yes, Atheists can be good without God.

      September 29, 2013 at 12:25 am | Reply
    • junas

      Atheism is freedom from the chains of religion.We do what we do based on sane choices,and an awareness of cause and effect.We love our spouces,our children,and do not percieve women as beneath the male but as equals.We obey the laws of our country,and when its time to die we die without fear of some higher being passing judgment on us.I really think we should all read the bible and judge for ourselves wether or not the god in that book is real or fit for worship,I did thats why im an atheist.

      September 29, 2013 at 3:43 pm | Reply
  10. IIS13

    Many people judge the religion of Islam without even knowing what it's actually about. I wish everyone would actually go into a Muslim household and see how good Muslims actually are...

    September 28, 2013 at 11:04 pm | Reply
    • Colin

      What does visiting a Muslims household have to do with negating their crazy idea that I go to hell?

      September 28, 2013 at 11:44 pm | Reply
    • junas

      The koran demends the killing of the unbelievers where is the good in that?

      September 29, 2013 at 3:45 pm | Reply
  11. edgar allan m hale

    you are probabbly taking about the false religion or church as a moral compass, of course people should not adhere to false prophets or false teachings or false religion, right, false preachers of course false religion or church, but if we talk about the true church or true religion, we are talking about the right moral compass, the correct set of law, the right principle in life, which is for the good of mankind

    September 28, 2013 at 11:06 pm | Reply
    • LisforMe

      So which one is the TRUE church? Let me guess – yours!

      September 29, 2013 at 8:14 am | Reply
  12. Manuel Gonzalez

    I'm a Christian, everyone chill out. Believe what you want to believe but don't bash and force your beliefs on someone else. This applies to Christians, atheists, Muslims, or whatever you believe in.

    September 28, 2013 at 11:09 pm | Reply
    • Back Off

      Don't stifle good discussions. If you have a problem, address the comment directly by using "reply"

      September 28, 2013 at 11:14 pm | Reply
    • fookinGod

      don't bash and force your beliefs sounds like Christian or muslim.in christiany if you say something against it your heretic or get excommunicated while in muslin death to all non-believers.

      September 28, 2013 at 11:54 pm | Reply
  13. Brian Spencer

    Religion is not a prerequisite for morality. Atheists do not force their non-belief on anyone. They do what is right and good for the sake of doing what is right and good. Theists, on the other hand, only do good because they believe their invisible sky fairy will torture them for eternity if they don't. Religious people are the epitome of hypocrisy and contradiction.

    September 28, 2013 at 11:13 pm | Reply
    • AtheistsAreEvils

      Brian is this your first day on the internet? Or are you just playing the hypocritical card? Atheists are constantly on a daily purpose searching every single internet blogs to go on to attack religious people. What will you say next? You will deny this?

      September 28, 2013 at 11:17 pm | Reply
      • AtheistsAreEvils

        I meant "purposely searching"

        September 28, 2013 at 11:18 pm |
      • ooo

        I would venture that if convincing evidence of a god existed, much of what you say you see would disappear.

        September 28, 2013 at 11:20 pm |
      • artisgreat

        Religion is the one trying to change what is taught in schools to include their religious dogma. Religion wants to do away with stem cell research. religious people bang on my door with their bible .Get back in your church with your Dogma and quit trying to force it on everyone else and we will be happy to leave you alone

        September 28, 2013 at 11:28 pm |
      • AtheistsAreEvils

        You are generalizing, not every religion will bang at your door bothering you with their bible. Don't blame the whole planet because you are not satisfied with the way the world is. Instead of trying to change the world from one day to the next one, try with yourself first. Only then, you will obtain better results.

        September 28, 2013 at 11:36 pm |
      • ooo

        It's amazing that your original post and this latest post were written by the same person!

        September 28, 2013 at 11:40 pm |
      • fookinGod

        atheistsAreevils is this your first day on the internet? Or are you just playing the hypocritical card? Atheists are constantly on a daily purpose searching every single internet blogs to go on to attack religious people. What will you say next? You will deny this/

        September 28, 2013 at 11:57 pm |
      • AtheistsAreEvils

        @fookingGod

        You are a disgrace to your fellow atheists. I hope other atheists " those who are not the crazy militant ones" will reject you. You are not a good example and you are destroying what your fellow atheists with the best intentions are trying to create and what they could bring to this society.

        September 29, 2013 at 12:14 am |
      • jimdwarner

        You say that atheists scour the Internet looking for religious blogs to troll. We don't really have to look far. There are plenty of comments from religious people on secular blogs that rustle our jimmies enough to get us replying. This is a legitimate mainstream news site and you're here defending your belief. You need to understand that people disagreeing with your belief system is not an attack on you. Dr. Dawkins is just saying that we can be good people and good citizens without religion to provide us moral direction. Ask yourself if the fear of damnation were suddenly removed would your morals suddenly change as well? Would you become evil without the fear of going to hell? Would you become a killer or a rapist? I think you know you would not.

        September 29, 2013 at 12:31 am |
      • AtheistsAreEvils

        @jimdwarner

        Read my other comments about the subject.

        September 29, 2013 at 12:47 am |
    • thisdesertlife09

      Yes. I believe in doing good and being kind because I feel that is the right thing to do. Not because I fear eternity in flames. I will not be bullied by religion into doing things out of fear. There is just this one life we have, and then we return to the earth from which we came. If God was presented without heaven or hell, it might make some more sense to me, but to think that after life is when things get good is just messed up to me.

      September 29, 2013 at 12:05 am | Reply
  14. Trailboss

    You lied if you served because in boot camp everyone that didn't go to church wasn't there when we return form church. So you just told of yourself, you when to church. You can hide now because we all know GOD loves a Marines in the sixty's the D.I would have ate you a live You may cry your in now day's but back you are telling one of them thing. You know what I mean.

    September 28, 2013 at 11:17 pm | Reply
    • Colin

      That was the most poorly constructed statement I have ever heard. What is this guy even trying to say?

      September 28, 2013 at 11:27 pm | Reply
      • Relictus

        Who knows? He may have been suffering from dementia.

        September 29, 2013 at 12:27 am |
    • independent jim

      I was in basic training at fort dix NJ in 1961 I can not remember going to church while in Basic training, AIT, or Jump School at Fort Benning if they made you go to church it was because of your fear

      September 29, 2013 at 1:28 am | Reply
  15. vonn

    Satan is having a field day winning many in the last days..Walk by Faith not by sight.. Some people just don't understand the Bible..Even the Bible specks of all these things in the last days...Every one has a will of his or her own so let it be..

    September 28, 2013 at 11:22 pm | Reply
    • tlu

      What's you point anyway?

      September 28, 2013 at 11:24 pm | Reply
    • Colin

      False: satan isn't real.

      September 28, 2013 at 11:31 pm | Reply
    • AtheistsAreEvils

      If i had a choice to chose between Dawkins and his comparison of people with animals, and the curious accuracy and similarities of those predictions of the last days. Then i guess i would chose the predictions. There are more similarities in those predictions that describes the world today than Dawkins theory about us coming down from monkeys.

      September 28, 2013 at 11:45 pm | Reply
      • Colin

        You are still here? You haven't figured out we don't take you seriously? Crazzzyyy..

        September 28, 2013 at 11:46 pm |
      • Back Off

        Wow, Can't take you seriously anymore.

        September 28, 2013 at 11:47 pm |
      • artisgreat

        I think this person is a Poe Just stop feeding him and maybe he will go away

        September 28, 2013 at 11:59 pm |
      • fookinGod

        okay you didn't came from monkeys you came from virgin mary. happy now

        September 29, 2013 at 12:09 am |
    • AtheistsAreEvilsIsEvil

      You spelled Santa wrong.

      September 28, 2013 at 11:57 pm | Reply
      • artisgreat

        Poe

        September 29, 2013 at 12:00 am |
    • fookinGod

      @vonn

      do you really understand the bible? if you do then tell me why are there so many religious sect USING THE SAME BIBLE BUT DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS. is one plus one equals two. simple arithmetic. don't say bible word are complex then you really don't understand bible at all if complex cause so many interpretations. the only time one plus one equal one zero is in binary which is well understood by all mathematicians.

      September 29, 2013 at 12:03 am | Reply
      • vonn

        Satan knows the Bible better than anyone who are you listening to..

        September 29, 2013 at 2:12 pm |
    • thisdesertlife09

      I think it's really ridiculous you feel you are living in the end times. This has been the thought of Christians since Jesus supposedly died for their sins, but no- it's going to happen in YOUR generation. I think you are being very self involved in your feeling that somehow this amazing thing is going to happen and you'll be present. Oh, and only people like you with the same beliefs will be included.

      I could never be that self-involved.

      September 29, 2013 at 12:07 am | Reply
      • fookinGod

        because religion is mind control. control, control and more mind control. they are good though

        September 29, 2013 at 12:11 am |
      • Relictus

        Every Time is the End time. I am one of the Forsaken, a fallen angel, so I know. There is a personal Revelations for every man on his Death. Only a chosen few know their fate in Hell in advance.

        September 29, 2013 at 12:30 am |
    • dikelmm1

      Jesus said that heaven and Earth would pass away within the lifetime of those living when he was. That is why early christians sold their belongings and lived together, kind of like survivalists today. When it didn't happen they had to reinterpret what Jesus said or ignore it. Read your Bible. Also read the two separate creation stories in Genesis. Things did not happen in the same order. That's because there were separate schools of thought in the Hebrew religious community who are represented throughout was Christians call the Old Testament. They can't both be true, but the can both be mythology. This is only a tiny tip of the iceberg of knowledge that they do not teach in Sunday School. Fortunately you can find much on the Internet if you try. I am talking about serious scholarship, not rants and insults by trolls. I used to be a deacon, so I respect people of faith. I just find most are ignorant of the facts.

      September 29, 2013 at 12:44 am | Reply
  16. B Guit

    Does atheism bring inner peace, joy, direction, meaning, good purpose, positive outlook, and a reason to live and a reason to die? Does atheism give emphasis to love, justice, peace, mercy, altruism, discipline, integrity, and commitment to promises? Answers to these questions will determine whether I, my classmates, family members, and many in my community will accept or reject atheism.

    September 28, 2013 at 11:23 pm | Reply
    • ooo

      Atheism is the lack of belief in a god. Your acceptance or rejection of it should solely be based on the evidence you find for a god, not on how religion makes you feel.

      September 28, 2013 at 11:27 pm | Reply
    • Colin

      Oh absolutely! I rant about justice and love all the time. Lol. I wish there was more of it in the world.

      September 28, 2013 at 11:30 pm | Reply
    • artisgreat

      Great post your thoughts are the same thoughts that most Atheists have

      September 28, 2013 at 11:33 pm | Reply
    • donna

      You just posted the same thing 20 minutes ago...

      September 28, 2013 at 11:33 pm | Reply
    • fookinGod

      to b guit

      you, your classmates and even you community should look around you. what kind of people are around you. from politicians to the lowest rank of work. you will find most of them are so called god believers. is politicians used the god word to get elected. to the lowest worker, isn't it nice to have religion to look good on resume or just to be in. do you really think these people seriously believe in god. you weren't born last nigh were you?

      September 29, 2013 at 12:20 am | Reply
    • B Guit

      Atheists have not convinced me to be an atheist. Most of them, at least on line, are rude, liars, negative thinkers, give distorted information without proper evidence and statistics, and seem to be simply propagandists of their faith of unbelief. So far I have not met or read about an atheist I can admire. There is no atheist I have encountered in person, online, in electronic media, and books whom I can consider a hero. Sometimes atheists would say such and such persons are atheists but after some research I found out they are Christians, like the case of Bill and Melinda Gates.

      September 29, 2013 at 12:22 am | Reply
      • ooo

        B. Guilt, Put all of that aside and stick with the point. Is there or isn't there a god. It has nothing to do with what group of people irks you today. It is a statement of fact.

        So what makes you believe in a god? I haven't seen any evidence yet for one, so I can't bring myself to say I believe.
        It's as simple as that.

        September 29, 2013 at 12:30 am |
      • donna

        You actually got some very nice, honest replies from people, which you categorically labeled as negative and dismissed. You weren't looking for people's honest opinions about personal sources of morality, you were setting up a platform to explain why you don't like atheists.

        September 29, 2013 at 12:43 am |
    • Relictus

      I do those things for myself.

      September 29, 2013 at 12:30 am | Reply
  17. Proverbs 3:35

    Atheism can most definitely be a moral compass, just a really lousy one.

    September 28, 2013 at 11:23 pm | Reply
    • Colin

      False. What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

      September 28, 2013 at 11:29 pm | Reply
    • artisgreat

      No Do a little research and you will find the higher the percent of Atheists in a country the more moral they are and the reverse is true the more religious the less moral

      September 28, 2013 at 11:38 pm | Reply
    • fookinGod

      your right. just like god believers.

      September 29, 2013 at 12:04 am | Reply
  18. West

    Please compare moral of the American from 100 years ago when religion still part of the life. Compare it to today when almost no religion in USA. How many people who has home alarm, locked door, etc

    September 28, 2013 at 11:35 pm | Reply
    • ooo

      Look,
      Morals are a product of their times and always have been. I'm sure if you look a little harder (and maybe a little longer ago) you will say "wow, how could that have been acceptable then. Good thing our morals have advanced!".

      September 28, 2013 at 11:38 pm | Reply
    • AwayFromHere

      Almost no religion in the U.S..? 70% of the country still identifies with some sort of religion, and still predominantly Christian ones, at that. Those people might not be practicing, or even close to it, but they certainly aren't leaving religion behind.

      September 29, 2013 at 12:14 am | Reply
      • fookinGod

        just to be identified with religion cuz their parents belong to it. because those people are brain washed by their parent about religion. it came from you some are not practicing religion. and in religion you need to be faithful. so if you don't practice religion then identified your self with religion, isn't that mockery of their religion or do you prefer a straight up, no non-sense non believer.

        September 29, 2013 at 12:25 am |
  19. Colin

    Here is why Dawkins is right to say politicians should do more to appeal to atheists. If there was a candidate that appealed to me as an atheist, I would very likely vote for them, unless their politics were messed up otherwise. I hope some politicians realize just how easy it would be to garner some more votes, if they simply represented us better.

    September 28, 2013 at 11:51 pm | Reply
    • fookinGod

      and politician should court the atheist if they want to add count to their voters as long as not shoving religion to the atheists.

      September 29, 2013 at 12:26 am | Reply
  20. Thom

    The way I see it is that earth is like an ant farm to someone else out there...... It amazes me that a supreme being would want to be worshipped and loved for such evil things he's made us all go through sometimes. I was BORN Catholic, but that religion was too much about money.......and then I realized they were all about the same thing...money.....then I realized that there were more churches than grocery stores....... then I heard George Carlin's take on religion....and I think he's right about Joe Pesci. Then I'm seeing too many religious fanatics who look like fools protesting at funerals and killing nonbelievers and wanting to hit on the 7 virgins....it's just all too crazy and we act like sheep with no brains.

    September 28, 2013 at 11:58 pm | Reply
    • fookinGod

      and don't forget religion is mind control like you said give money (tidings). if god is so powerful why does his religion need money. just say the word and whatever religion needs should magically appear like what they say in the bible and god created the sun. its just pop up.

      September 29, 2013 at 12:30 am | Reply
  21. AwayFromHere

    So they want special recognition and status? Isn't that what atheists typically despise about religion?

    September 29, 2013 at 12:13 am | Reply
    • Back Off

      "So they want special recognition and status?"
      – Recognition – yes. Special status - no.

      "Isn't that what atheists typically despise about religion?"
      – Recognition - No. Special Status - Yes!

      September 29, 2013 at 12:16 am | Reply
    • fookinGod

      atheist don't want recognition or status. we are just debunking your false belief in so called god. its because you god believers are forcing there is god but cannot prove its existence.

      September 29, 2013 at 12:35 am | Reply
  22. John

    To Christians : Because you are not Hot (Real Christians that obey God) nor cold (unbelievers or atheists) I will spit you out of my mouth...There is a lot of hypocrisy among christians, sadly.....

    September 29, 2013 at 12:16 am | Reply
    • fookinGod

      that's true. let see hitler Christian, so as napoleon Bonaparte, so was Mussolini, so was Winston Churchill so was FDR so was bin laden, so was saddam etc. they all have one thing in common. they all believe in so called god. now those people that I mentioned were the ones that caused all these terrible war. stalin is dragged into these wars because they attacked his country. just remember who are those leaders that caused millions of death.

      September 29, 2013 at 12:43 am | Reply
  23. Disillusioned

    There is a middle ground of spiritually driven people that believe in tarot, meditation, yoga, horoscopes. There are people who believe in god but don't want to align with any monotheistic religion. There are those who believe god exists, but not to have a personal relationship with. A lot of ground between complete atheists and die hard Christianity there.

    September 29, 2013 at 12:38 am | Reply
    • LisforMe

      Actually, when it comes to the question of belief, there is no middle ground. For any given belief, you either believe or you do not. It isn't a question of logically proving it's true or false. Either you believe or you don't. Now if you truly, truly believe the Catholic teaching that there is eternal damnation and hellfire for unforgiven "Ten Commandment" sins, there is no way a Catholic would EVER commit any of them. You wouldn't even steal a pack of gum, because then if you died before having a chance to confess and be absolved, you would BURN IN HELL! Having being inundated with Catholic teaching for the first 20 years of my life, I now refuse to believe in a god so cruel. Why would an all-powerful being bother with such petty mind-game manipulations?

      September 29, 2013 at 8:33 am | Reply
      • Disillusioned

        Yeah actually, there is a middle ground. I just mentioned them. You believe in crystals, tarot, meditation or whatever. You believe in a god but not in religion. You don't believe in a monotheistic god but others. You are Buddhist. There are many roads to take besides just atheist or chrisitan.

        September 29, 2013 at 11:51 am |
  24. This Is Not My Name

    I worship the lint between my toes.

    September 29, 2013 at 12:41 am | Reply
    • fookinGod

      good for you. so your a worshipper now?

      September 29, 2013 at 12:54 am | Reply
  25. Skeptic

    "we pick out those verses of the bible that we like, and reject those verses we don’t like."

    An absolute truth shown by every Christian denomination in existence.

    September 29, 2013 at 12:42 am | Reply
    • AtheistsAreEvils

      There are militant fanatics on both sides. That's why i feel for both atheist and religious people who are working for a better world with good purposes to distance and separates ourselves from fanatic militants on both sides. If we both can get rid of those people, then i'm sure we can respect each others and cooperate together to make this world a better place to live.

      September 29, 2013 at 12:55 am | Reply
  26. kenny

    the golden rule is the basis of all morals and is human instinct. we follow it with every decision we make. religion simply added specifics and a sky daddy to make sure you make the right decision. choice is what makes the difference. we can choose to be good or bad. Nothing can stop that... NOTHING... but the consequences can dissuade the ignorant from making bad decisions. God watching is a good way to do that for most people but eventually society will enforce it in total. If you can't get away with anything... you still will do bad things ... but they will be significantly reduced. Religion worked in the old days for the most part and the powerful used it to keep them powerful. we don't need it to guide us ... unless you are an ignorant fool and don't understand the golden rule... like religious people

    September 29, 2013 at 12:51 am | Reply
  27. fookinGod

    "religion simply added specifics and a sky daddy to make sure you make the right decision."

    nice rhetoric. atheist had been practicing the golden rule you talking about for years. and we don't need bible to tell to do that. as well as we don't need to be so called god believers

    September 29, 2013 at 1:06 am | Reply
    • kenny

      its true... and deep down in a place you are afraid to look... you know it... you know when you die you won't exist... no heaven no hell.. just nothing .. like before you were born... along with every other human since the beginning of time.. its sad and hurts... but the truth is painful...

      September 29, 2013 at 1:15 am | Reply
      • AtheistsAreEvils

        Kenny, i honestly respect your belief, it is your right to believe whatever you want to, i have no right to interfere with that. Will you respect mine if i tell you that i believe otherwise?

        September 29, 2013 at 1:27 am |
      • kenny

        AtheistsAreEvils... i don't care what anyone believes... its when you make me follow rules based on your beliefs that bother me. If your rules aren't based in the golden one... they don't get to become law... if we can agree on that the world will be a better place...

        September 29, 2013 at 2:10 am |
  28. Brian

    I'm pretty sure that "we are much kinder than non human animals" was meant to read "kinder to". Should be changed.

    September 29, 2013 at 1:06 am | Reply
  29. Historybuff

    I doubt if Mr. Dawkins counts for much in the Universal scheme of things... But to argue that we don't need or get a 'moral compass' from religion is rediculous.

    On the other hand... without the moral compass of Judeo/Christian religion... it would be perfectly acceptable to kill babies... beat up on people that disagree with you... steal... lie... cheat... murder you neighbor...

    Sounds like Mr. Dawkins, and his cnn host... are really fine people.
    HB

    September 29, 2013 at 1:28 am | Reply
    • donna

      So you think that without your religion you would want to hurt people?

      The fact that religious people lie, kill and steal, kinda negates your whole argument.

      And you're incredibly naive if you think the judeo-christians were the first to oppose those behaviors, what an absurd claim to make.

      Please don't call yourself a history buff, you clearly know nothing about human history.

      September 29, 2013 at 2:41 am | Reply
  30. Bryan C.

    I see some interesting, weird, silly, and outrageous comments here. I suspect that they types of comments are seen in blogs, articles, and other forms of electronic information. Here's some facts for anyone interested in being "enlightened":

    1) The Holy Bible, Quran, Torah, etc. were written in the hand of men.
    2) These men were influenced by a voice (the voice of God, Abraham, Mohammed, Buddha, what-have-you)
    3) People have taken the words in these books literally, figuratively, applied their own meaning
    4) These various viewpoints have led to many different forms of religion all over the world

    Now it gets interesting:
    5) Each and every holy book, representative of a different religion, have the same information, albeit with names, locations, time frames, subtly changed, but nonetheless, the same information
    6) These books, teachings, speeches, what-have-you were given to the people at a time when they lived in fear, even to help administer that fear unto the people
    7) This is the 21st century: What have we to fear today? And can that fear be allayed by a book, a teaching, faith?

    I was raised Catholic, haven't been inside a church since 1998. I do not believe in God, a god, or many gods. What I do believe in is the power of man, the humility and humanity of man, the intelligence and foresight of man. That is my faith. Why?

    It is not something to which I must blindly believe in. I can see man, I can touch man, I can witness his good (and his bad) deeds. I can witness natural disasters and humanitarian aid; world wars and trade agreements; a pickpocket and a good Samaritan. Faith in you, faith in me, faith in your family, friends, and neighbors. Seriously, I fail to see why you would need anything more than that.

    At the end of the day, religion was developed as a form of control, using humanity's greatest weakness, fear, to gain that control. I personally choose not to live in fear and I ask: Why do you choose to live in fear?

    Sources:
    Holy Bible
    Quran
    Torah
    Babylonian history
    Sumarian history
    Life experiences

    September 29, 2013 at 1:31 am | Reply
    • AtheistsAreEvils

      @Brian

      If you would have any kind of respect for others, you would have posted what you believed in, but without including your negative views about others who are believing otherwise. I agree with you that in every religion there are parts on the bible, quran that are mostly to brainwash people. But that doesn't only applies to religions. There are also those fanatics leaders among atheism, and cults that are brainwashing people. It is up to us that can see much clearer to avoid those people and those bad parts of religious books that are only there to cause problems. There's good in every religions, and atheism and others, and there also bad parts in all of those as well. Knowing all these differences is a good starting point for creating a better world and having a better harmony among people with different cultures and religions and non religious people.

      September 29, 2013 at 1:47 am | Reply
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