Dawkins: Religion no moral compass
September 27th, 2013
05:53 PM ET

Dawkins: Religion no moral compass

By Jason Miks

GPS digital producer Jason Miks sits down with renowned evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins, author of the Selfish Gene and An Appetite for Wonder, to discuss readers’ questions on religion, its role in society and whether children can be described as “Christian.”

A number of readers noting your skepticism over religion’s role in society ask whether an absence of religion would leave us without a moral compass?

The very idea that we get a moral compass from religion is horrible. Not only should we not get our moral compass from religion, as a matter of fact we don’t. We shouldn’t, because if you actually look at the bible or the Koran, and get your moral compass from there, it’s horrible – stoning people to death, stoning people for breaking the Sabbath.

Now of course we don’t do that anymore, but the reason we don’t do it is that we pick out those verses of the bible that we like, and reject those verses we don’t like. What criteria do we use to pick out the good ones and reject the bad ones? Non-biblical criteria, non-religious criteria. The same criteria as guide any modern person in their moral compass that has nothing to do with religion.

So the moral compass of any person is very much a part of the century or even the decade in which they happen to live, regardless of their religion. So we live in the early 21st century, and our moral compass in the early 21st century is quite different from 100 years ago, or 200 years ago. We are now much less racist than they were, much less sexist than they were. We are much kinder than non-human animals than they were – all sorts of respects in which we are labeled with a moral compass. So something has changed, and it certainly has nothing to do with religion.

You’ve been travelling to the States from the U.K. for a number of years. Have you noticed much of a change in the place of religion in the two countries over that time?

Notoriously, the United States is the most religious of the Western advanced nations. It’s a bit mysterious why that is. In Britain, Christianity is dying. Islam, unfortunately, isn’t. In Western Europe generally, Christianity is dying. Even in America, the figures show that religious adherence is being steadily reduced, and the people who now record themselves as having no religious affiliation is something like 20 percent. Many people don’t recognize what a high figure it is, and so politicians here who feel they have to curry favor with religious lobbies should maybe take a look at those statistics and realize that not everyone in this country is religious.

You say it’s a bit of a mystery why America is so much more religious than other advanced countries. Do you have any thoughts on why it might be? Tied to that question of disposition, several readers also wondered if there is a genetic predisposition toward faith?

There probably is, but I don’t think that really explains why America is so different from Britain. The least implausible suggestion that I’ve heard is that Britain and Scandinavian countries, which are also very non-religious, have an established church, and that kind of makes religion boring. Whereas in America, there is constitutionally a bar against an established church, and that could be one reason why religion has become so popular – it has become big business, it has become free enterprise, rival churches vie with each other for congregations and especially tax free ties.

Some readers see you as very evangelical in your atheism. Do you feel it a duty, just as some Christians might to share the word of God, to spread an atheist point of view?

Duty is a funny word. But when you say evangelical, I like to think that I don’t shout or shriek, but employ a quiet, sober voice of reason. And reason is on our side.

You’ve talked about feeling uncomfortable with the impact of religion on children. In fact, one reader asked whether you would prefer to see no under-18s at church. What’s your take?

I certainly wouldn’t wish to prohibit parents influencing their children. However, for the rest of the world, to label a child a Catholic child simply because its parents are Catholic, seems to me to be a form of child abuse. The child is too young to know.

You can see the absurdity of talking about a Catholic child of four when you think what it would be like if we talked about an existentialist child of four, or a logical positivist of four. In other words, we wouldn’t accept the labeling of a child based the parents’ belief, so why do we accept it when it’s religion? Why does religion get a free pass when it comes to labeling children in this way?

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  1. Peace

    My family...we do not need a god. Please leave. Thank you.

    September 29, 2013 at 9:51 pm | Reply
  2. NorthVanCan

    Wonderful to see the information revolution chip away ever faster at ignorance and bigotry.
    Religion will soon be tossed into the trash bin of history, not in our lifetime, but hopefully soon enough to save the planet from our destructive ways.

    September 29, 2013 at 9:52 pm | Reply
    • Elliott Carlin

      Yes, we'll all be eager to see a post-Christian Western Civilization....the underpinnings are being pushed away, therefore it will cease to exist. Enjoy life while you can. We're headed for darkness.

      September 29, 2013 at 10:10 pm | Reply
      • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson - The Perimeter of Ignorance

        Well, I think it's clear that humans developed morals and that the relative peace and tranquility we have now is not something we will likely surrender. I will say the one thing Christianity does is reinforce some of the morals we developed through weekly gatherings, but unfortunately it reinforces some of its immoralities as well.

        September 29, 2013 at 10:18 pm |
  3. NorthVanCan

    Wonderful to see the information revolution chip away ever faster at ignorance and bigotry.
    Religion will soon be tossed into the trash bin of history, not in our lifetime, but hopefully soon enough to save the planet .

    September 29, 2013 at 9:53 pm | Reply
    • Elliott Carlin

      You mean the bigotry against religion? lol

      September 29, 2013 at 10:11 pm | Reply
      • youreyesareweird

        Bigotry? If by that you mean the same level of respect towards a christian as we give towards someone who claims Elvis is alive, then yes.

        September 29, 2013 at 10:14 pm |
      • EvinAR

        Not all people deserve contempt. But those who allow their religion to tell them who is a good person and who isn't based on absolutes instead of following the morality which springs from ever more learned study of people and the world are the bigots and should themselves stand to endure the suffering of it!

        September 29, 2013 at 10:39 pm |
      • deep blue

        http://www.pewforum.org/2013/08/19/event-transcript-religion-trends-in-the-u-s/
        This has some good discussion on the topic.

        September 29, 2013 at 10:41 pm |
      • dave green

        Interesting how you equivocate disagreeing with a religious ideology as being bigotry. It's like saying someone is a bigot because they don't agree with some particularly political ideology.

        September 30, 2013 at 6:13 am |
    • Ancient Texan

      Non-believers have been echoing your thoughts for thousands of years and having little success removing religion from the scene. Religion will still be here long after you are gone.

      September 29, 2013 at 10:12 pm | Reply
      • GodFreeNow

        In fairness, we have the internet. It's hard to compare what happened thousands of years to today. Imagine the church trying to convince you that the earth was flat, the center of the universe, or that disease is product of the displeasure of the god or gods. All positions, that opposing would mean death and branding as a heretic just a few hundred years ago.

        I agree that the psychosis that inspires religion will be here for many years to come, but it's going to have to take on a more clever and deceptive form than religion to keep feeding on people's energy.

        September 29, 2013 at 10:21 pm |
      • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson - The Perimeter of Ignorance

        Well, I'd say religion is having to constantly evolve to grapple with the truths that science has delivered: the earth is not the center of the universe; multiple personality disorder over demonic possession; the age of the earth is more than 6k years; Noahs ark... But you are right, religion will be here for centuries if not millennia. But even religion is trying to adapt and exist in view of the truths from science, and I think it's a great example of forced evolution.

        September 29, 2013 at 10:23 pm |
      • youreyesareweird

        Not true. The population of non-believers is growing. Religion within government is marginal now. The embarrassing and crushing blows of modernity that science and secularism have handed to religion is accelerating. Do you think the rise in equality and fairness to women is because christians read the bible more closely?? Do you think the cessation of burning people by christians because they were believed to be witches or possessed by evil spirits happened because a verse in the bible was overlooked?? That's science and secularism changing the world. Not religion. Religion is human's first attempt to explain the world around them. A very, very poor, barbaric and ignorant attempt. Religion is not needed anymore.
        "Name one example human history where science was the authoritative answer to a question, but years later religion overturned it with a better one. Now reverse that exact scenario where religion was the authoritative answer but was overturned by science, and you will find hundreds and hundreds of examples." –Sam Harris

        September 29, 2013 at 10:23 pm |
      • deep blue

        I think you will find that losing control of government will benefit religion (just look at what happens to political support for political parties when they are out of power). Religion provides community, fellowship, and service. Those needs will still need to be met. Certainly, some secular organizations will fill in some of the gaps, but I think we are already seeing the decline in religion flattening out. Religion will continue, and I don't think that is a bad thing.

        September 29, 2013 at 10:28 pm |
      • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson - The Perimeter of Ignorance

        @deep blue – What data do you have to support that the decline of religion is flattening out?

        September 29, 2013 at 10:33 pm |
      • youreyesareweird

        You don't need bad reasons to do good things. There are plenty of good reasons to do good things.
        Religion will continue to decline as scientific progress continues it's uptrend. It should be patently obvious that religion springs from ignorance and an effort to insert an answer to an unknown question.
        This fact has repeated itself over and over again throughout human history.
        As science continues to answer more and more questions held hostage by religious dogma, more people will abandon it's nonsense.
        Religion is a bad thing. It is oppressive. It is delusional. People don't even know how to accept death because their heads are full of made up stories about an afterlife, which has absolutely no evidence to support it. Arguing that belief in a god gives one's life meaning, hope and purpose is illogical. If you have never heard the analogy of this problem projected onto something more physical, then you really need to google "Sam Harris Diamond in backyard analogy". Listen and understand just how silly one is for taking a position that religion provides meaning to life.

        September 29, 2013 at 10:38 pm |
      • deep blue

        I am looking for data to back up the claim, but I believe the category of "spiritual but not religious" is increasing faster than atheism, but many surveys are just asking if people are "nonreligious" or non affiliated and thus overstate the growth of atheism.

        September 29, 2013 at 10:40 pm |
      • EvinAR

        Yeah, I didn't think human stupidity was going anywhere. Good point.

        September 29, 2013 at 10:40 pm |
      • deep blue

        http://www.pewforum.org/2013/08/19/event-transcript-religion-trends-in-the-u-s/
        This has good data on the topic..

        September 29, 2013 at 10:42 pm |
      • donna

        deep blue, A lot of atheists are spiritual, they're not exclusive categories. I probably know as many spiritual atheists as atheists who don't believe in anything in that category.

        September 29, 2013 at 10:44 pm |
      • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson - The Perimeter of Ignorance

        @deep blue – Having previously been a believer, the growth of "nones" is exactly what I would expect – I even took that route some time ago. I would be surprised to see anyone step directly from believer to non-believer – the middle ground of nones is a step away, just as some of the founder fathers declared themselves deist rather than Christians.

        September 29, 2013 at 10:44 pm |
      • deep blue

        Donna, fair point. I admit I may be wrong about the trends. I guess anecdotal I see a lot of young people hesitant to associate themselves with any large religious affiliation, but yet are not atheists and some attend a nondenominational church. I am from a very conservative area, so my experiences are not representative of the country. It doesn't matter much to me either way. I would count myself as atheist and nonspiritual.

        September 29, 2013 at 10:49 pm |
      • GodFreeNow

        I live in an atheist/secular country and of course the view of America from here is quite disturbing. However I see religion, poor social services, abysmal health care, gun violence, toxic food and American Idol (to name just a few things) all as symptoms of a greater root cause.

        Following a trend in religion will be far less valuable than following a trend in education, in my opinion. Americans will never find their way free of the above, until they address the failings in education.

        September 29, 2013 at 11:03 pm |
      • donna

        deep blue, Yeah, i have several relatives who go to non traditional churches, where they don't claim the stories dogmatically, they just go with the message. I suspect they would all say they believe in some kind of supreme being/higher power.

        I think atheism still has a negative connotation for some people too, and I think some people think it means you don't believe in anything spiritual. So I suspect there are people who don't believe in a deity, but who also don't call themselves atheists.

        I'll bet there are a lot of weak atheists who don't identify with being atheist. But yeah, it doesn't matter, to each his own...I'm also atheist and non spiritual...

        September 29, 2013 at 11:18 pm |
      • End Times

        North… Religion isn't going anywhere, but you are. To the lake of fire and brimstone. Jesus Christ himself said, "heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall never pass away." People like you who hope and wish for a future without God or religion will get your wish soon enough. As soon as you breathe your last breath, then you shall get your wish. For God does not exist in hell, nor in the lake of fire and brimstone. And there won't be any religion there. So you'll feel right a home. As for those of us in heaven, we'll be abiding by the Word of God forever...

        Ancient Texan… Amen to that. You hit the nail on the head.

        September 30, 2013 at 12:36 am |
    • bob51

      Former atheist became religious believer wow atheist are short sided. Dawkins is joke.

      September 30, 2013 at 3:30 am | Reply
    • bob51

      wow that is short sided.

      September 30, 2013 at 3:33 am | Reply
    • Nc_writer

      Unfortunately, there seems to be a abysmal lack of understanding about religion, morality and the bible.

      On the topic in question, I define morality as the belief that one is accountable to some higher power for their actions. That belief acts as a constant restraint against destructive behaviors. A moral CEO does not lie about the value of his company, a moral banker does not sell mortgages to someone they know cannot afford them, a moral homeowner does not buy a housethey

      September 30, 2013 at 5:40 am | Reply
      • Nc_writer

        Continue... They know they cannot afford and a moral person does not take a shotgun and go shoot everyone they can find in a Navy installation.

        Morality allows freedom, without morality a person is only accountable to a themselves and what they can get away with. A promise means nothing more than a sincere intent, if it can't be filled by an immoral person...no big deal.

        So...if morality does not come from religion, then where doesn't come from? What else another than religion can provide a higher power in the universe? Call it God, Allah, Vishnu, Buddha, The Great Spirit, The Earth Mother or even Zeus. I maintain that the man is wrong and without religion, Man is condemned to a harsh, brutal and short life.

        September 30, 2013 at 5:46 am |
      • dave green

        Well, first off all, you idea of what morality is seems skewed. You seem to think that it's "moral" to act in certain way out of fear of some higher power. That's not morality, that's conditioning. Morality is to act in a particular way because you believe it to be the right way to act.
        Second of all, you completely missed the point of what he was saying. Here you have a bible that is supposed to be your moral compass, but you don't do what it says. No one believes the bible means what it says; They are convinced it says what they mean. You have a book telling you to stone people to death for not remembering a day as being holy. Do you really agree with that? Of course not, so you simply interpret it away. The question is; WHY don't you believe it? Because of religion? No.

        September 30, 2013 at 6:18 am |
  4. michael

    You don't need God.
    It's a good thing it is not up to you!
    You can see what the weather is bringing but you cannot see what your rebaling will bring.
    Who are You!
    Do you not understand that you are not the top of the food chain. Look around do you not understand how it all works?

    September 29, 2013 at 10:01 pm | Reply
    • deep blue

      did you mean rebelling?

      September 29, 2013 at 10:09 pm | Reply
  5. youreyesareweird

    The real inconvenient truth: Christians pick and choose verses in the bible they obey. If one would really read that evil book from cover to cover, it would be excruciatingly clear the bible is no moral compass. As Sam Harris said, "If there is a less moral, moral framework than the bible, I haven't heard of it"

    September 29, 2013 at 10:12 pm | Reply
    • deep blue

      Fortunately, their religion is not defined by your interpretation of the bible. Whether or not your interpretation or their interpretation is the "more accurate" interpretation of the bible is irrelevant.
      If you want to debate against someone else's religion, you must use their premises as a starting point. Not your interpretation of what their God wants, but their interpretation. Without a common set of premises, logical debate is moot.

      September 29, 2013 at 10:18 pm | Reply
      • sybaris

        Hogwash!

        There's no need to understand anyone's premise as a starting point for Biblical debate because there are things in the Bible that are wrong no matter whose interpretation it is.

        Your way is to tell a psychopath that they could be right for murdering their mother because they really thought she was Hitler.

        Willful ignorance is the hallmark of religion.

        September 29, 2013 at 10:56 pm |
      • EvinAR

        Let's just forgo interpretation altogether and ask God what he wants? Right?

        What makes you think ANY interpretation 2,000 years after the fact is valid? We have trouble understanding what Da Vinci means sometimes, in his works. What on earth makes the 21st century church's interpretation of Jesus so damned worthy of taking into account? Does it lead to a more moral society than that within the circles of early Christians? Do you have the same excuse as scientists have for standing on the shoulders of the most recent discoveries? I think not at all, and many religious people will tell you that the world is WORSE today than it was some decades ago, and the rival churches and mosques more tolerant of sin and heresy. That is NOT a convincing basis for taking a contemporary believer's interpretation of their own religion. You HAVE NO objective point of reference in your beliefs... there IS NO interpretation that all agree upon, because your interpretation is reflected solely in your moral actions in any given situation, and it's been proven in more psychological studies than I can count on both hands that people of the same religion can act more similarly to a person of another religion than to one of their own. Religion has NOTHING to do with morality. That might seem ironic to you, but you have more in common with a modern atheist than you do an ancient person of your own faith, like it or not.

        September 29, 2013 at 11:01 pm |
      • deep blue

        First of all, psychopathy is a specific psychological disorder. It is a social disorder not associated with delusions as you described. You might be thinking of psychosis.
        Second of all, a person's religious beliefs aren't defined by their holy book. A person's religious beliefs are defined as that person's belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods. Whether or not the person misinterprets their holy book is immaterial.

        September 29, 2013 at 11:03 pm |
      • deep blue

        @EvinAR note that I said "their religion", I am atheist. I agree with you that every person has his or her own religion. You ask if religious leaders stand on the shoulders of their predecessors? I would say yes. Religion is very near to the discipline of philosophy. Like philosophy, it develops over time as new thinkers contribute.
        Now, does that mean that the current interpretation of the bible is "the right one"? I would argue that there is no "right" interpretation because I am an atheist. But, if I was trying to disprove someone else's religion, I would start with their beliefs, not with my interpretation of their book.

        September 29, 2013 at 11:31 pm |
      • dave green

        Right, so basically you're saying the bible is useless, because it's not what the bible says, but some individual interprets it.

        Okay, fair enough, but at the end of the day you are simply making up your own religion and slapping a label on it. Great, but how is that any different in practice from someone making up their own moral code?

        September 30, 2013 at 6:30 am |
  6. Universe

    In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

    By the fig and the olive.
    Mount Sinai.
    And this honored town (Mecca).* 95:1-3

    *95:1-3 The fig, olive, Sinai and Mecca possibly symbolize Adam, Jesus, Moses, Abraham and Muhammad, respectively. Thus, all major religions are represented.

    We created man in the best design.
    Then turned him into the lowliest of the lowly.
    Except those who believe and lead a righteous life; they receive a reward that is well deserved.
    Why do you still reject the faith?
    Is God not the Most Wise, of all the wise ones? 95:4-8

    “The example of Jesus, as far as GOD is concerned, is the same as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him, "Be," and he was.” Quran [3:59]

    It does not befit God that He begets a son, be He glorified. To have anything done, He simply says to it, "Be," and it is. [19:35]

    “No soul can carry the sins of another soul. If a soul that is loaded with sins implores another to bear part of its load, no other soul can carry any part of it, even if they were related. ... [35:18]

    “They even attribute to Him sons and daughters, without any knowledge. Be He glorified. He is the Most High, far above their claims.” Quran [6:100]

    “Recall that your Lord said to the angels, "I am placing a representative on Earth." They said, "Will You place therein one who will spread evil therein and shed blood, while we sing Your praises, glorify You, and uphold Your absolute authority?" He said, "I know what you do not know." [2:30]

    “They say , "We live only this life; we will not be resurrected. If you could only see them when they stand before their Lord! He would say, "Is this not the truth?" They would say, "Yes, by our Lord." He would say, "You have incurred the retribution by your disbelief." [6:30]

    Thanks for taking time to read my post. Please take a moment to visit whyIslam org website.

    September 29, 2013 at 10:34 pm | Reply
    • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson - The Perimeter of Ignorance

      Have you ever wondered what all of that religious guilt and terror is doing to your essence?

      September 29, 2013 at 10:38 pm | Reply
    • carlos

      too long, didn't read
      praise the spaghetti monster.

      September 30, 2013 at 1:22 am | Reply
      • jack waterman

        You're a fool.

        September 30, 2013 at 5:12 am |
    • artisgreat

      you are wasting my time I do not read preaching

      September 30, 2013 at 6:21 am | Reply
  7. Curahee

    It seems funny to ask a evolutionary biologist about religion. Just because he's an expert on that doesn't mean he's an expert on religion. And obviously he's not because if he was then he'd know Jesus stopped the stoning of a woman caught in adultery over 2000 years ago. He'd know that Christianity is the only religion where God came to earth and died for our sin so each of us can live forever with Him. And he said everything in the bible is summed up in loving God with all your heart, mind and strength and your neighbor as your self. That sounds like the best moral compass I've ever heard of. When you treat people like that it's pretty hard to go wrong. Pretty simple actually until you try to live it. But again that's why He died for us. Because He knew we couldn't do that on a regular basis. I'd say God is very loving and kind to provide a way for us to have a right relationship with Him.

    September 29, 2013 at 10:44 pm | Reply
    • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson - The Perimeter of Ignorance

      Yes, Christianity is a better evolution of Judaism. It makes God seem less frightening and the kindness appears to have increased. But it is an evolution nonetheless.

      September 29, 2013 at 10:47 pm | Reply
  8. dilberth

    Religion is dying. Droves of young people are exiting from the chains they once wore. Church pews are emptying out faster than the bladders of thirsty beer drinkers. All the fences that religion has installed are being torn down and sheep are now grazing on science and math. The Freedom From Religion Foundation has 3 important lawsuits in the Federal Courts that may send a message that no longer are we going to respect religion. Religion has not gained any respect because it hasn't deserved any respect. It will die off just like the dinosaurs. Suddenly.

    September 29, 2013 at 10:45 pm | Reply
    • jack waterman

      Actually, what is happening is that we are spiralling down, as predicted in the bible, towards the final abyss. There is no denying what is going on in the world, only various intepretations of what it means. As a former atheist and now devout Christian, nothing makes all that much sense until viewed through the eyes of scripture.

      September 30, 2013 at 5:13 am | Reply
    • Yukon

      I am pragmatic . I do not go to church, but follow my conscience, and believe in a supreme force. My question is: Is our society becoming better without belief in God or with belief in God?

      September 30, 2013 at 6:16 am | Reply
      • Aldewacs2

        WORSE with belief in god(s), and the resulting actions taken by deluded dimwits that are manipulated by power hungry string pullers.

        September 30, 2013 at 9:00 am |
  9. NorthVanCan

    If we keep kids out of the liquor store, the military etc, and they need to be 18 or older to vote, why not keep them out of church . Leave them free to develop their own ideas of the world.
    Sounds fair to me.

    September 29, 2013 at 10:50 pm | Reply
    • deep blue

      Churches provides a community of support. I see no reason to "protect" kids from church. I realize that adults' religious affiliation highly correlates with the religious affiliation with their parents. One could argue that this is due to brainwashing. I disagree. I think that kids that enjoyed the community environment of their church and more or less agree with the social values of their religious leaders stick around. Those that don't go find somewhere else once they leave their parents' house.
      It would be concerning that people don't make an objective decision on their religious beliefs if choosing the correct one was very important. I don't think it matters too much, so it doesn't concern me.

      September 29, 2013 at 10:57 pm | Reply
    • dilberth

      I've often wondered why Christians or any other religious sect are compelled to go to another building to worship. Can't they simple do there doting at home. Oh, yeah. That's where they get their drug. After all, religion is a drug without a prescription used exclusively by the mentally disturbed sociopaths and psychopaths.

      September 29, 2013 at 11:05 pm | Reply
      • jack waterman

        What a mean-spirited and hateful post.

        September 30, 2013 at 5:14 am |
    • Kitkat

      Parents guide their offsprings to what they believe are foundational recipes for success in life such as education and a set of good principles in life found in many religions that teach good values. Once their offsprings are adults, the offsprings are independent to accept or reject what their parents have instructed them. But as long as they are kids, they have to follow family rules, because, for example, if you don't force your kids to go to school and do their assignments they will just play and surf the internet all day, and then when they become unsuccessful adults would blame the parents for not guiding them.

      September 30, 2013 at 6:33 am | Reply
  10. Disillusioned

    Tell me how believing in a god is any less logical than beelieving a pool of elements was zapped by lightning and magically became life on this planet. The most basic of primeval Elements transformed to life by what. Tell me how magically beelving that our universe came from total void randomly occured. Hate to tell the ignorant among atheists this, but science really does not rule out god, as much as you so beg and want to beleive this. , nor are they two concepts incompatible.

    September 29, 2013 at 10:59 pm | Reply
    • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson - The Perimeter of Ignorance

      Well, there's a great deal of proof that we evolved. But there's no proof that any kind of god exists.

      September 29, 2013 at 11:05 pm | Reply
      • Disillusioned

        I know we evolved. That's not what I'm asking. I want to know why atheists think that life coming randomly and somehow magically from a zapped pool of basic elements sounds any less ludicrous than beleivng a higher Intent had a hand in it. Do you know how ridiculous the idea sounds of the most basic of elements, randomly zapped, formed actuall life? As rediculous to us, as your thought of how rediculous opt sounds that there's a higher form of consciousness that formed the universe.

        September 29, 2013 at 11:16 pm |
      • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson - The Perimeter of Ignorance

        Ah, then you should see the Youtube video noted in my name. Even the greatest scientists we have ever known have invoked creationism, but they only did so when they were are the limits of their knowledge. Note your statement of how a spark, etc., seems ridiculous – the limits of knowledge. A spark – I don't know, but creationism definitely no – there's no evidence for that.

        September 29, 2013 at 11:24 pm |
      • jack waterman

        ...and there is no way of proving that he does NOT exist.

        September 30, 2013 at 5:15 am |
      • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson - The Perimeter of Ignorance

        Ah, but it is not the job of the opponent to prove something does not exist....it is the job of the proponent to prove that something does. Otherwise, we can say Zeus, etc. may exist because you have not disproven them.

        September 30, 2013 at 6:10 am |
    • NorthVanCan

      Science doesn't believe in magic .
      Science has made huge progress in a short amount of time and is the first to recognize it doesn't answer everything and isn't always right. Basically science is the complete opposite of religion.
      You can't understand that because to do so would threaten your teachings .
      I feel for you but you need to liberate your self at the end of the day.

      September 29, 2013 at 11:06 pm | Reply
      • Disillusioned

        Science is not the complete opposite of a god. Atheists seem to beleive more in the idea of a god forming things magically, than even believers do. Who said god is not a scientist that uses scientific law to make the universe? Which believers here said that ?

        September 29, 2013 at 11:19 pm |
      • ooo

        @Disillusioned
        As Hitchens said so often. Creationism (and creationists) still have all their work in front of them. If life could not somehow have sprung from chemicals and electricity, then how did this god come into being. And this God must be much more complicated than the living organisms we have around here now.

        You actually made the problem even more difficult!

        September 29, 2013 at 11:36 pm |
      • Disillusioned

        When robots amd computers become sentient, they will then ask who made their creators too 🙂

        September 29, 2013 at 11:43 pm |
      • ooo

        @Disillusioned.
        Maybe you are being coy, but in case not... you do realize that we are not god.
        Either way, looks like you have come around to understanding that no creator is needed.

        September 29, 2013 at 11:49 pm |
      • Disillusioned

        You have not begun remotely to explain to me my questions about how you know there is no god. And yeah. when computers become sentient, in a way, their programmers could easily be looked upon as gods by them.

        September 30, 2013 at 12:21 am |
      • Disillusioned

        Hitches was an atheist. He of all people should not be the person I'd look to To explain why god would not use scientific laws to create the universe. If she/ he is Immensely more intelligent than us, then why would he not use his/ her superior intelligence even more than we do to create the universe.

        September 30, 2013 at 12:27 am |
    • deep blue

      what do you think are the odds of spontaneous generation of a life form on a specific planet in one earth year?
      I would say really, really low. Lets call that probability P.
      Let's compute the probability of life forming on any planet over any number of years.
      1 – (1 – P) ^ (number of planets in the universe * number of years)
      Well, we had lots of years for the above formula to work out, and we had uncountable planets. Odds might actually be pretty good.
      Now, I don't know how the universe started. It seems like a "beginning of the universe" breaks down causality as we know it, making it very difficult to study. After all, the scientific method depends on repeatability. It depends on causality.
      But, just because I don't know how the universe started doesn't mean I can't guess. And my first guess isn't that a omnipotent deity did it.

      September 29, 2013 at 11:08 pm | Reply
      • deep blue

        @Disillusioned: Any questions about spontaneous generation?

        September 29, 2013 at 11:25 pm |
      • Disillusioned

        Something took nonliving material on this planet and transformed it into living tissue. Randomly you say. Tell me how that occured.

        September 29, 2013 at 11:28 pm |
      • deep blue

        No "one" did it. Chemicals combine all the time. Life is just a self-replicating combination of chemicals. That is all that is required. What is the probability that a chemical structure that will replicate itself will form? Well, if you consider the number of planets in the universe, we have an extremely large sample size. Trillions of planets that spontaneous generation could occur on.
        I would consider it less of "random" and more of a brute force algorithm. If you have enough trials, the extremely improbable becomes probable.

        September 29, 2013 at 11:37 pm |
      • Disillusioned

        Life as I know, comes from living material. And Che,Ocala that support that. It does not come from a stew of nonliving, nonlife supporting elements. Tell a scientist to grow life from a rock otherwise.

        September 29, 2013 at 11:46 pm |
      • Disillusioned

        Life comes from chemicals that support life. I does not come from nonliving elements. Otherwise life would spontaneously generate from nonliving elements everywhere, amd it does not. It forms chemicals and molecules to support life, but it does not in itself make life.

        September 29, 2013 at 11:49 pm |
      • deep blue

        Scientists can continue to try. Perhaps one day they can succeed. But scientists only have the resources for hundreds, perhaps thousands of trials. They can make educated guesses, but we don't know enough yet.
        Nature has trillions of planets and billions of years. Scientists can't match that kind of sample size. To suggest that, simply because we can't produce original life in the lab, that it is impossible I think is overestimating the scientists.

        September 29, 2013 at 11:52 pm |
      • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson - The Perimeter of Ignorance

        @ Disillusioned – Ah, that is an old argument. We have not yet discovered what those conditions were, or the series of conditions were. But again, there is no evidence that we were created. I myself would very much like to see those experiments for life created from the elements, but I suspect it will probably be centuries before we ever know, if we ever do. However, more evidence will continue to accrue towards some kind of natural origin than a supernatural one.

        September 29, 2013 at 11:57 pm |
      • Disillusioned

        Again, this is pitting god against some natural order of things. If god made this planet amd the natural scientific laws we follow, what makes people think god would surpass those same natural laws he/she made to create anything Magically?

        September 30, 2013 at 12:31 am |
      • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson - The Perimeter of Ignorance

        Again, see how you and others have adapted again? Now you accept evolution, and not a creation event, as God's work. This is another example of how Christianity has had to adapt to science. I would know, I used to do it myself – My question – "Why do terrible things happen to good people?" My answer, "Because the Bible is in error. God created the earth and just let us go to see what we would do with it, how we would handle the tragedies." Even I adapted to the obvious things the Bible was not answering. And then I realized I just wasn't being honest with myself, with the facts that were there. There is no evidence of God, or any other god for that matter.

        September 30, 2013 at 6:18 am |
      • Disillusioned

        Now I accept evolution? When did i say I never did? Prove that science negates a god. Prove it in anything factual you want to say. Science in fact cannot provea god doesn't exist. Whatsoever. Science only shows how certain natural laws apply to our existence.it does not prove there is no god. A lot of atheists don't seem to understand that.

        September 30, 2013 at 9:20 am |
  11. James Rustle

    Recent convert to atheism here with a few questions. Now that I've converted to the atheist religion, will a fedora and trench coat be provided to me or am I required to go and buy my own? Am I allowed to shave my neck or is it a requirement to let it grow, similar to the Amish religion? Do you offer an instruction manual on how to be insufferable in casual conversation or will I pick it up as I go while interacting with other Atheists? Is it a basic tenant of the faith that I must flood every article about religion on the internet with rants about how Christianity should be exterminated and proselytize on behalf of the Revered Prophet Dawkins (euphoria be upon him)?

    It is my hope that I develop my unwarranted sense of superiority and smug pseudo-intellectualism quickly after I convert so that I fit in with your group better. Please treat me kindly, fellow atheists!

    September 29, 2013 at 11:01 pm | Reply
    • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson - The Perimeter of Ignorance

      Funny! I would agree that conversation should be polite, but it need not respect the other position, but conversation should be "respectful."

      September 29, 2013 at 11:09 pm | Reply
    • NorthVanCan

      Welcome to true freedom. Of corse you will need some time to make your own decisions with dress and such as.
      It sounds like you are new to it all.
      Enjoy being equal to all other humans and creatures of earth.

      September 29, 2013 at 11:10 pm | Reply
    • Punchmaster

      Welcome. And nope to all of those. Only one rule: Use your brain to its full extent, always, even when your emotions want you to believe in something contrary to the truth. And there you have it.

      September 29, 2013 at 11:11 pm | Reply
    • dilberth

      Rustle. Well, you can stop lying for one thing. You're no more an atheist than my mule, Dabney, is a Stallion.

      September 29, 2013 at 11:14 pm | Reply
    • deep blue

      A fedora hat and trench coat combination sounds quite fetching, but I certainly won't provide you with one. There is no need to blog on any websites. In fact, I recommend you don't. It is a horrid waste of time, and you will never convince anyone of anything.
      If you are looking for some readings to broaden your philosophical prospective, I would avoid Dawkins. He is fairly ideological and not very philosophical. I found Hobbes's and Kant's works on ethics very interesting. C.S. Lewis has an interesting work on the problem of evil. There are a lot of good works on restorative justice. Just look around. There is no required reading, just look at what you are interested in.
      Keep in mind that the most vocal of atheists, like the most vocal of Christians, tend to be the ones most derogatory toward religious faiths. Many religious thinkers can contribute to lively philosophical discussions, so I would encourage you to keep an open mind.
      This advice works just as well for sarcastic Christians.

      September 29, 2013 at 11:20 pm | Reply
    • mk

      I think acting like a smug christian would suit you better. Just stay where you are.

      September 30, 2013 at 8:17 am | Reply
  12. Reason

    Being part of a community (a group of likeminded individuals) certainly provides inestimable benefits for the individual psyche in many ways, for some more than others. But before we begin translating that into "sanctioned and inspired" holy books, saviours, gods, holy spirits, blood sacrifices, etc., we must ask ourselves one simple question: Can the natural and the supernatural coexist? My answer is No! We are natural beings and we live in a natural cosmos. If we think something is supernatural, we need to examine it further, because it is natural or it does not exist!

    September 29, 2013 at 11:06 pm | Reply
  13. Limuel Sevilla

    James 1:26-27
    "26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
    27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world."

    Do you see people that did have or having mental illness? If it happened that you did experience it but you did recover from it because of the Holy Power of the Holy Word of the LORD then you will understand the mind. Mind is a spirit and the abode of it is the physical brain. Since mind is a spirit then the spiritual world has something to do with it. Each kind of neurotransmitters do carries a different kind of spirit that can alter the normal functioning of the mind. The spirits contained in every neurotransmitters can or cannot make the normal functioning of the mind. Spirit reacts to spirit. Collective unconscious is part of the mind. When you are sleeping you are unconscious or your mind is in the unconscious world in where the angels do comes in like in the dream of Jacob and Joseph (Genesis 28:10-22; Matthew 1:18-25). The fallen beasts's entering in the mind is called "astral travel" like the abilities of (dynamo, david blaine, criss angel, david copperfield and the other demons here in this earth). Don't you think there is war happening in the unconscious world? If the fallen beasts do their astral travel to take one soul/mind then the holy angels "Hebrews 13:2" will come in too inside the soul/mind to protect the person whose mind/soul is in danger. The entering in the soul/mind of the holy angels @Hebrews 13:2" can not be called astral travel...

    TO CUT IT SHORT, MY POINT IS "THE TRUE RELIGION IS NEEDED TO STILL BE HERE ON EARTH TO FIGHT THE (fallen beasts) here on earth that do have power of soul which is also called extra sensory perception (ESP) and beyond ESP abilities (in ex: dynamo, david blaine, criss angel and david copperfield) AND WITHOUT TRUE RELIGION THEN THERE WILL BE NO GUARDIAN OF THE HOLY FAITH FOR OUR HOLY LORD GOD ALMIGHTY FATHER YHWH, OUR HOLY LORD YESHUA, AND THE HOLY GHOST THEN THE RESTRAINER WHICH IS THE HOLY SPIRIT OF THE LORD WILL LEAVE THE EARTH THEN MANKIND NWILL BE ENSLAVE BY THOSE (fallen beasts again tha do have power of soul) THEN ITS THE END OF THE RACE OF MANKIND AND OF THE EARTH WHICH IS TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF ALL NOT THE SAME OF THE DESTRUCTION DONE IN THE GREAT DEULUGE. DO NOT DESTROY THE TRUE HOLY FAITH FOR OUR OUR HOLY LORD GOD ALMIGHTY FATHER YHWH, OUR HOLY LORD YESHUA, AND THE HOLY GHOST."

    WHAT IS YOUR BREED? HOW COME THAT THERE ARE GENTILES AND ELECT PEOPLE OF OUR HOLY LORD GOD ALMIGHTY FATHER YHWH? DO A RESEARCH TO FIND OUT OF "WHY YOU DO THINK THAT WAY?"

    September 29, 2013 at 11:14 pm | Reply
    • One Flew...

      Ummmm.... Ok

      September 29, 2013 at 11:20 pm | Reply
  14. Limuel Sevilla

    James 1:26-27
    "26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
    27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world."

    Do you see people that did have or having mental illness? If it happened that you did experience it but you did recover from it because of the Holy Power of the Holy Word of the LORD then you will understand the mind. Mind is a spirit and the abode of it is the physical brain. Since mind is a spirit then the spiritual world has something to do with it. Each kind of neurotransmitters do carries a different kind of spirit that can alter the normal functioning of the mind. The spirits contained in every neurotransmitters can or cannot make the normal functioning of the mind. Spirit reacts to spirit. Collective unconscious is part of the mind. When you are sleeping you are unconscious or your mind is in the unconscious world in where the angels do comes in like in the dream of Jacob and Joseph (Genesis 28:10-22; Matthew 1:18-25). The fallen beasts's entering in the mind is called "astral travel" like the abilities of (dynamo, david blaine, criss angel, david copperfield and the other demons here in this earth). Don't you think there is war happening in the unconscious world? If the fallen beasts do their astral travel to take one soul/mind then the holy angels "Hebrews 13:2" will come in too inside the soul/mind to protect the person whose mind/soul is in danger. The entering in the soul/mind of the holy angels @Hebrews 13:2" can not be called astral travel...

    TO CUT IT SHORT, MY POINT IS "THE TRUE RELIGION IS NEEDED TO STILL BE HERE ON EARTH TO FIGHT THE (fallen beasts) here on earth that do have power of soul which is also called extra sensory perception (ESP) and beyond ESP abilities (in ex: dynamo, david blaine, criss angel and david copperfield) AND WITHOUT TRUE RELIGION THEN THERE WILL BE NO GUARDIAN OF THE HOLY FAITH FOR OUR HOLY LORD GOD ALMIGHTY FATHER YHWH, OUR HOLY LORD YESHUA, AND THE HOLY GHOST THEN THE RESTRAINER WHICH IS THE HOLY SPIRIT OF THE LORD WILL LEAVE THE EARTH THEN MANKIND WILL BE ENSLAVE BY THOSE (fallen beasts again that do have power of soul) THEN ITS THE END OF THE RACE OF MANKIND AND OF THE EARTH WHICH IS TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF ALL WHICH IS NOT THE SAME DESTRUCTION DONE DURING THE GREAT DELUGE. DO NOT DESTROY THE TRUE HOLY FAITH FOR OUR OUR HOLY LORD GOD ALMIGHTY FATHER YHWH, OUR HOLY LORD YESHUA, AND THE HOLY GHOST FOR IT WILL SAVE MANKIND"

    WHAT IS YOUR BREED? HOW COME THAT THERE ARE GENTILES AND ELECT PEOPLE OF OUR HOLY LORD GOD ALMIGHTY FATHER YHWH? DO A RESEARCH TO FIND OUT OF "WHY YOU DO THINK THAT WAY?"

    September 29, 2013 at 11:19 pm | Reply
  15. Limuel Sevilla

    I HOPE THE POSTED COMMENT CAN STILL BE EDITED. I WANT TO EDIT MY FIRST COMMENT. I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT THERE WERE TYPOGRAPHICAL ERROR. I HOPE YOU GET MY OPINION CLEAR.

    September 29, 2013 at 11:22 pm | Reply
    • GodFreeNow

      There will be a few who criticize because of spelling or punctuation, but I'm not one of them.

      However, if you want someone to read and take your post seriously, I recommend not starting out with an esoteric bible verse and use "all caps" with extreme prejudice. From a marketing standpoint it really turns off your audience.

      1) This isn't church. It's an open forum to present ideas for discussion, not to preach.
      2) Your previous message comes off as sounding paranoid and divorced from reality.

      I suspect you're probably a kind person because you took the time and put forth the effort to try to reach people. I really feel like you missed the mark here.

      September 29, 2013 at 11:33 pm | Reply
      • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson - The Perimeter of Ignorance

        Well put.

        September 29, 2013 at 11:46 pm |
      • Limuel Sevilla

        We don't speak the same language but I did try to reach your consciousness about this issue. I want to ask you " Did you ever watch dynamo, david blaine, criss angel and david copperfield demonstration of their demonic powers in person?" "Do you want a person that do have ESP to destroy your life?" Don't speak as if you really do know everything in this world that people will find out that you so ignorant or fool about them.

        September 29, 2013 at 11:56 pm |
      • Limuel Sevilla

        Those that have power of soul are just around the corners. "Hebrews 13:2".

        September 29, 2013 at 11:58 pm |
      • GodFreeNow

        It's called "Magic", and in America and other parts of the modern world, it's widely recognized as being a trick, in other words, not real. I happen to be an amateur magician. It's always about self discipline, practice and preying on the weaknesses of the mind. For example, the eye finds it difficult to track movements that are fast (this is called "sleight of hand"). The mind cannot hold 2 thoughts at the same time (magicians use this weakness with what they call "misdirection"). Magic is not mystical. I'm personally shocked to hear that there is someone in the world somewhere who believes that David Copperfield is really levitating.

        It's only amazing until you know how the trick is done. If you want to understand more about magic, do some research online. Check out Derren Brown. He's one of the greatest mentalists of all time and the first to tell you, it's just pretend.

        September 30, 2013 at 12:07 am |
      • Limuel Sevilla

        IF THERE ARE THOSE THAT DO DISCRIMINATE HERE IN CNN IN ABOUT DEFENDING OUR HOLY LORD GOD ALMIGHTY FATHER YHWH, OUR HOLY LORD YESHUA, AND THE HOLY GHOST THEN THE LORD WILL DESTROY ALL OF YOU. DON'T SAY AMERICA AND OTHER NATIONS AND MOST OF ALL IRAN IS POWERFUL DUE TO THEIR MILITARY POWER THAN ISRAEL BECAUSE THE LORD IS GUARDING ISRAEL AND THE HOLY GUARDIANS OF ISRAEL WHICH IS THE HOLY ANGELS ARE READY TO DEFEND IT. THEY DO HAVE POWER OF SOUL. WE ARE READY. THE BEASTS IN AMERICA (criss angel, david blaine, david copperfield and the other beasts) AND ALSO THE BEAST IN LONDON (dynamo) ARE DECLARING WAR TO THOSE GIFTED OF OUR HOLY LORD GOD ALMIGHTY FATHER YHWH AND WE ARE READY. HALF OF THE SOUL IS IN THE UNCONSCIOUS WORLD BATTLEFIELD AND HALF IN CONSCIOUS LEVEL OF PHYSICAL WORLD.

        September 30, 2013 at 12:14 am |
      • Limuel Sevilla

        THE EYES OF THE TRUE GIFTED AND SERVANT OF OUR HOLY LORD GOD ALMIGHTY FATHER YHWH, OUR HOLY LORD AND HOLY SAVIOR YESHUA, AND THE HOLY GHOST CANNOT BE FOOLED BY ANY TRICK ON MAGIC. THEY KNOW WHAT ARE TRUE AND FALSE. YOU'RE NOT A HEBREW. DO A RESEARCH ABOUT "NACHASH", "THE HYBRID RACE INCLUDING THE BONES OF THEIR ANCESTOR", AND "THE ABILITIES OF MAGI AND WHERE IT CAME FROM?" WATCH (criss angel) levitation in person then touch (him) while he do (his) levitation then identify if it is an illusion or not. DEFINE THE WORD ILLUSION. DON'T BE FOOLED.

        September 30, 2013 at 12:24 am |
      • GodFreeNow

        dude... it's a magic trick. It's supposed to look real.

        For the record, here is the definition of illusion. Read it carefully.
        illusion |iˈlo͞oZHən|
        noun
        a thing that is or is likely to be wrongly perceived or interpreted by the senses: the illusion makes parallel lines seem to diverge by placing them on a zigzag-striped background.
        • a deceptive appearance or impression: the illusion of family togetherness | the tension between illusion and reality.
        • a false idea or belief: he had no illusions about the trouble she was in.

        September 30, 2013 at 1:33 am |
  16. NorthVanCan

    Either way, we should protect the kids from the Taliban and all other faith worshipers.
    The kids deserve access to knowledge free from myths and maybe it would take government to implement a law or two.
    They seem to be keen on making laws, why not one for the kids?
    That can't be hard to understand.

    September 29, 2013 at 11:27 pm | Reply
  17. Limuel Sevilla

    James 1:26-27
    "26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
    27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world."

    Do you see people that did have or having mental illness? If it happened that you did experience it but you did recover from it because of the Holy Power of the Holy Word of the LORD then you will understand the mind. Mind is a spirit and the abode of it is the physical brain. Since mind is a spirit then the spiritual world has something to do with it. Each kind of neurotransmitters do carries a different kind of spirit that can alter the normal functioning of the mind. The spirits contained in every neurotransmitters can or cannot make the normal functioning of the mind. Spirit reacts to spirit. Collective unconscious is part of the mind. When you are sleeping you are unconscious or your mind is in the unconscious world in where the angels do comes in like in the dream of Jacob and Joseph (Genesis 28:10-22; Matthew 1:18-25). The fallen beasts's entering in the mind is called "astral travel" like the abilities of (dynamo, david blaine, criss angel, david copperfield and the other demons here in this earth). Don't you think there is war happening in the unconscious world? If the fallen beasts do their astral travel to take one soul/mind then the holy angels "Hebrews 13:2" will come in too inside the soul/mind to protect the person whose mind/soul is in danger. The entering in the soul/mind of the holy angels "Hebrews 13:2" can not be called astral travel...

    TO CUT IT SHORT, MY POINT IS "THE TRUE RELIGION IS NEEDED TO STILL BE HERE ON EARTH TO FIGHT THE (fallen beasts) here on earth that do have power of soul which is also called extra sensory perception (ESP) and beyond ESP abilities (in ex: the fallen beasts – dynamo, david blaine, criss angel and david copperfield with their demonic abilities) (how many are they here on earth?) AND WITHOUT TRUE RELIGION THEN THERE WILL BE NO GUARDIAN OF THE HOLY FAITH FOR OUR HOLY LORD GOD ALMIGHTY FATHER YHWH, OUR HOLY LORD YESHUA, AND THE HOLY GHOST THEN THE RESTRAINER WHICH IS THE HOLY SPIRIT OF THE LORD WILL LEAVE THE EARTH THEN MANKIND WILL BE ENSLAVE BY THOSE (fallen beasts again that do have power of soul) THEN ITS THE END OF THE RACE OF MANKIND AND OF THE EARTH WHICH IS TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF ALL WHICH IS NOT THE SAME DESTRUCTION DONE DURING THE GREAT DELUGE. DO NOT DESTROY THE TRUE HOLY FAITH FOR OUR OUR HOLY LORD GOD ALMIGHTY FATHER YHWH, OUR HOLY LORD YESHUA, AND THE HOLY GHOST FOR IT WILL SAVE MANKIND"

    WHAT IS YOUR BREED? HOW COME THAT THERE ARE GENTILES AND ELECT PEOPLE OF OUR HOLY LORD GOD ALMIGHTY FATHER YHWH? DO A RESEARCH TO FIND OUT OF "WHY YOU DO THINK THAT WAY?"

    September 29, 2013 at 11:29 pm | Reply
    • artisgreat

      You are preaching ,no one wants to hear you preach

      September 30, 2013 at 6:17 am | Reply
    • Aldewacs2

      Hey pal ... your caps lock is stuck!

      September 30, 2013 at 9:15 am | Reply
  18. Limuel Sevilla

    EXTRA SENSORY PERCEPTION (ESP) ABILITIES DO EXIST! THE LORD REBUKE THE BREED OF THE (fallen beasts). (Dynamo, david blaine, criss angel, david copperfield including gautama buddha that do have power of soul) --> WHOSE POWER OF SOUL IS POWERFUL? OF COURSE OUR HOLY LORD AND HOLY SAVIOR YESHUA POWER OF SOUL IS GREATEST OF ALL AND IT IS ALSO GIVEN TO HIS SERVANTS "1 CORINTHIANS 2:16" I HAVE TO DESTROY THEIR (dynamo, david blaine, and criss angel including the other fallen beasts) FACEBOOK ACCOUNT FOR THE GLORY OF OUR HOLY LORD GOD ALMIGHTY FATHER YHWH, OUR HOLY LORD AND HOLY SAVIOR YESHUA, AND THE HOLY GHOST.

    September 29, 2013 at 11:44 pm | Reply
    • NorthVanCan

      Sounds like you have been blinded by the light.
      Gota hit rock bottom before you can bounce back......I guess.

      September 29, 2013 at 11:51 pm | Reply
      • Limuel Sevilla

        WATCH (criss angel) levitation in person then touch (him) while he do (his) levitation then identify if it is an illusion or not. DEFINE THE WORD ILLUSION. DON'T BE FOOLED.

        September 30, 2013 at 12:37 am |
      • Limuel Sevilla

        Watch (dynamo) demonstrate his demonic powers too in person. If he did walk on water again then go check the water if there is any platform (he) is using to do (his) walking on water like the females deed when (criss angel) did walk in the lake mead. Then ask yourself if that is an illusion or trick? Define illusion. Don't be fooled.

        AMERICA IS TURNING SODOM AND GOMORRAH BECAUSE OF THOSE (beasts) TOO! VALUES EDUCATION SHOULD BE PUT BACK AND STRENGTHEN IN AMERICA AND LET THE HEBREWS WHICH IS THE SERVANT OF OUR HOLY LORD AND HOLY SAVIOR YESHUA TEACH THEM ABOUT THE HOLINESS OF LIFE FOR THE LORD AND BE SAVE FROM HIS WRATH. THE RABBI THAT WILL TEACH THEM IS THE ONE THAT CARRY ONLY THE NAME OF THE LORD AND HIS TRUE HOLY TEMPLE THAT WAS, AND IS AND IS TO COME (2 Samuel 7:13; Ezekiel 40-47) IN THE HOLY MT. OF ZION. RABBI LIKE (Shmuley Boteach) should be banned FOR HE IS NOT WORTHY TO SERVE THE LORD FOR HIS TEACHINGS. ROMAN CATHOLIC SHOULD NOT TEACH TOO FOR THEY BROKE THIS HOLY VERSE

        1 Timothy 2:4-5
        "4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
        5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;"

        This might save you and America.

        September 30, 2013 at 1:03 am |
    • One Flew...

      Great comment! Totally agree!

      September 29, 2013 at 11:52 pm | Reply
  19. Jason

    Interesting comments...

    What is the purpose of living organisms, of existence, of the universe itself? Does the possibility of God exist?

    September 29, 2013 at 11:56 pm | Reply
    • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson - The Perimeter of Ignorance

      We (the earth) truly are an inconceivable infinitessimally small spec in this vast universe. Take a look at the earth as recently seen from Saturn. A spec among specs we are.

      September 30, 2013 at 12:00 am | Reply
  20. Brian

    Why should Anyone, Believer or Atheist, give a damn what Richard Dawkins (or Anyone for that matter) thinks about One's religious beliefs? What does it matter whether the Imam, the Minister, the Rabbi, or the Atheist think of what You believe? Your beliefs, or lack there of, are Yours; not Theirs. If You ask, "Hey, what do You think of My beliefs?", that's one thing. Otherwise, it's probably best to just shut the hell up about Someone Else's religion or lack thereof.

    September 29, 2013 at 11:57 pm | Reply
    • NorthVanCan

      9/11 is one of countless examples of why we should be questioning the teachings of religious beliefs .

      September 30, 2013 at 12:04 am | Reply
      • Colin

        Seriously...

        September 30, 2013 at 12:19 am |
    • Colin

      I BELIEVE Brian cheated on his wife and then had gave her an STD because of it that she doesn't know about. Care to give me your wife's phone number brian?

      September 30, 2013 at 12:32 am | Reply
      • Colin

        And I know this because GOD told me.

        September 30, 2013 at 12:32 am |
    • donna

      If what you believe has an impact on other people, then it's reasonable for them to have an interest in that.

      September 30, 2013 at 12:33 am | Reply
  21. Colin

    It's my RELIGION!

    September 30, 2013 at 12:33 am | Reply
    • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson - The Perimeter of Ignorance

      As Donna commented, when someone's religion compels them to make decisions that affect other people who do not share that belief, then it necessarily becomes an issue of concern for everyone affected by it.

      September 30, 2013 at 6:30 am | Reply
  22. Colin

    Atheists are to the typical Christians what typical Christians are to the Amish, the typical Christians are to the atheists as the Amish are to to typical Christians.

    September 30, 2013 at 12:43 am | Reply
    • Colin

      I tried to baptise my cat once. She was all like "I will have no part of this religion" And jumped away from the bathtub. And that's the story of how my cat became an atheist.

      September 30, 2013 at 12:52 am | Reply
      • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson - The Perimeter of Ignorance

        But there is no place in heaven for your cat, at least as far as I was ever taught. Nor was I taught that animals have a soul, though I believe they definitely have an essence and a personality.

        September 30, 2013 at 6:33 am |
  23. End Times

    Having an atheist speak on "morality" is much like having Lucifer giving you his opinion of it. Only a complete lunatic would even believe anything he says...

    Show me someone who says the bible is not a moral compass, and I'll show you someone who doesn't know God, and nor do they have a clue what being moral is. Morality does not exist outside of God. So if a person doesn't know God, then you also have no clue what being moral is…

    September 30, 2013 at 12:54 am | Reply
    • Colin

      They turned me into a newt!

      September 30, 2013 at 1:00 am | Reply
      • Colin

        .... It got better.

        September 30, 2013 at 1:01 am |
    • GodFreeNow

      Nobody knows god. They only know their imaginary friend which is nothing more than a voice in their head which is a collection of experiences manifested, personified and deified.

      Next time ask your god friend to solve a complex physics problem. You won't get an answer unless you're a physicist.

      If you think god is the source of morality, why does the god of the old testament condone slavery, murder, adultery and worshiping of false idols (see Leviticus, David, and Solomon)? There are people who live by the morals of god in the bible in this day and time. We call them Islamic extremist and many of them are terrorists.

      September 30, 2013 at 1:40 am | Reply
    • Aldewacs2

      You're like a fart in a wind storm.
      Now blow away.

      September 30, 2013 at 9:18 am | Reply
  24. JD

    What's amazing is that lackwits such as Richard Dawkins repeat the same old crud they probably heard first on the playground. In adulthood, they're just as blind as they were as children. As Jesus said, "There are none so blind as those who REFUSE to see." And that's what he's done. Scholars mostly recognize that early parts of the Bible are myth or parables. Some people believe it's "all" true ... but then ... they're rarely the people who can read Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek. They're reading someone's translation ... which is always, unavoidably approximate.

    Does Dawkins recognize or care about any of this? Of course not. He's no linguist. He's no historian. He's a freakin' zoologist.

    Stick with studying animals in the zoo, Dawkins, and stop imposing your ignorance on everyone.

    September 30, 2013 at 1:03 am | Reply
    • Colin

      Yeah! Get back to the zoo where they sell ice cream and you can hang around with sweet owls and stuff. Don't waste your time with dummies like JD. But keep writing the books. We love the books. Oh and the interviews and debates! We love them too. You rock Richard!

      September 30, 2013 at 1:06 am | Reply
    • Colin

      JD was too busy pooping his pants and crying to hear what was being said on the playground. He never learned that actually, in adulthood, people go MORE blind than when they were children naturally. It's one more proof that the world wasnt intelligently designed by some invisible guy with magical powers.

      September 30, 2013 at 1:09 am | Reply
  25. john connor

    http://goo.GL/bFKBg

    Helps to know what Fundamentalist Jews, as well as Muslims, and so-called "Christian Zi0nists" are all about.

    It is not peace.

    September 30, 2013 at 1:12 am | Reply
    • Colin

      To be fair,neither were the scientists who created the terminators...

      September 30, 2013 at 1:22 am | Reply
  26. thebes42

    The problem isn't all religions.
    Just Abrahamic religions.
    Seriously, any religion that teaches its followers that it is "holy" to sacrifice their own child because of voices in their head- that is messed up, and promulgating that mythology is just going to screw up a society's moral compass.

    September 30, 2013 at 1:32 am | Reply
  27. Olaf Big

    Well, let's approach the issue statistically. Plot the frequency of church visits as a function of a number of books one has read. I see a straight line with a correlation coefficient of -0.999, or to put it simply, the more you read the less you pray. Once our kids actually start learning something in school, the religion will die off like a useless appendage in a generation or two. No need to go to the barricades to defend atheism. By the way, good universal education, combined with a high standard of living is one of the main reasons Scandinavia has largely become a non-religious society.

    September 30, 2013 at 2:15 am | Reply
    • Anthony

      Absurd. Many religious people are extremely well educated. My wife and I have PhD's, my children read continuously, and I come from a family of highly educated people. This is a false stereotype you hold onto.

      September 30, 2013 at 6:18 am | Reply
    • Anthony

      Meisenberg concludes that, overall, there is a "negligible relationship between intelligence and religiosity in advanced societies".

      September 30, 2013 at 6:21 am | Reply
  28. lrschultz

    Wow are there a pile of misconceptions in here about what is in the Bible. There are a lot of bad things in the Bible because people are sinners and have been for a long time. Those bad things in the Old Testament God condemned as bad but he did not give up on his chosen people. Which is a good thing because there are a lot of people in this string of comments that need a God that doesn't give up on them.....

    September 30, 2013 at 4:02 am | Reply
  29. mat

    You might have degrees,but you are blinded or your soul is is in dark you ccannot see well. you assume in darkness.True God is to be tasted only by good manner to the creator,Religion without True God can become rituals and false doctrines ,have no use. Jesus came to give life.He is loving rescuer ,let him do your life.Just ask HIM when you are realising youy are drowning.let Jesus save you

    September 30, 2013 at 5:49 am | Reply
    • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson - The Perimeter of Ignorance

      Can you not see how you are drowning with your religion?

      September 30, 2013 at 6:44 am | Reply
  30. Anthony

    Many more studies in the literature show the positive impact of religion as a way of assisting moral development.
    http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1207/S1532480XADS0801_3

    September 30, 2013 at 6:11 am | Reply
    • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson - The Perimeter of Ignorance

      Do they also show the negative impacts – prejudice, bigotry, failing to act on things in the here-and-now because they are so focused on an afterlife (which hasn't been proven)?

      September 30, 2013 at 7:39 am | Reply
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