January 17th, 2015
11:07 AM ET

On GPS Sunday: Panetta on terrorism threat; Fareed on talk of military action; breaking down claims on Muslim immigration

Watch "Fareed Zakaria GPS," Sundays at 10 a.m. and 1 p.m. ET on CNN

On GPS this Sunday: Fareed offers his take on whether the calls for U.S. military intervention in the Middle East would help prevent the kinds of attacks seen in Paris last week.

Then, Fareed digs deeper into the issue with Leon Panetta, former Director of Central Intelligence, who looks at the terrorism threat in Europe, whether the United States is vulnerable as a target and what the U.S. should do to try to stop something similar happening here.

“You know, I think that what we've seen happening over these last few weeks, between what happened in Ottawa, what's happened in Paris and now what's happened in Belgium, is that we're entering a new and perhaps more dangerous chapter in the war on terrorism,” Panetta says.

Also on the show, Fareed speaks with Doug Saunders, an international affairs columnist for The Globe and Mail and the author of The Myth of the Muslim Tide: Do Immigrants Threaten the West? about claims there has been “an influx" of people from Muslim countries, and that they aren't assimilating into their host countries when they get there.

Plus, Fareed speaks with Malcolm Gladwell, who wrote in support of the broken windows theory in his famous book The Tipping Point, and Bernard Harcourt, who wrote a book called Illusion of Order: The False Premise of Broken Windows Policing, about that much-talked about issue.

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  1. chri§§y ¥ ¥ ¥ ¥

    With our economy still in the tank, they should halt letting immigrants comming into the US!

    January 17, 2015 at 11:30 am | Reply
  2. Blue Saffroń

    We have been focusing on wrong issues, misplaced priorities and wrong geographical areas.

    State Dept should be merged with DOD. Embassy staff should be cut in half and retired. Intelligence officials should be fired. CIA/NSA/FBI should be disbanded and only one body should emerge.

    January 17, 2015 at 11:54 am | Reply
    • banasy©

      I would not be adverse to some consolidation; although what the SD and the DoD do are rather different in nature, they are linked.

      The FBI primarily focuses on domestic crimes; I don't want to see them disbanded.

      January 17, 2015 at 12:26 pm | Reply
      • Blue Saffroń

        State Dept has consistently failed therefore we are in this mess. Diplomacy is not working. We have to resort to force everytime. Therefore If it Fails you Must Bail.

        FBI is not being disbanded. ALL intelligence under one roof is my proposition. Int'l or domestic. They are interlinked this day n age.

        January 17, 2015 at 1:40 pm |
      • banasy©

        If not diplomacy, what?

        January 17, 2015 at 2:02 pm |
      • banasy©

        To clarify: if not diplomacy, what should be the starting point?

        Or should we become isolationist?

        January 17, 2015 at 2:03 pm |
      • Blue Saffroń

        Diplomacy should always be the way to go. But it is not working in this case and many others vis a vis americans. DOD has to step in. So why have State Dept if it can't address the issues diplomatically.

        January 17, 2015 at 2:12 pm |
      • banasy©

        I agree that diplomacy is the way to go. The SD isn't soley responsible for the mess we're in; diplomacy is a two-way street.

        The DoD deals with matters of national defense and national security, not diplomatic relations between countries; how would they possibly encourage diplomacy?

        January 17, 2015 at 3:26 pm |
      • Blue Saffroń

        Ahhh... I get it. You missed my point. What I am saying is that if diplomacy is consistently not succeeding then why have it. Let DOD deal with carrot and sticks.

        Now wrt 2way street on one hand we call them terrorists and then we expect them to act rationally. Remember we are the big brother.

        January 17, 2015 at 3:41 pm |
      • banasy©

        Ok, so we delete diplomacy out of the equation completely, that what you are saying?

        And calling ourselves big brother to the world is one way we got into this mess.

        January 17, 2015 at 3:44 pm |
      • banasy©

        Invading other countries for spurious reasons is what got us into this mess. Becoming modern-day Genghis Khans will do nothing to further peace.
        If the worst is yet to come, as you have said, becoming an even bigger bully is clearly not the answer.

        January 17, 2015 at 3:49 pm |
      • Blue Saffroń

        Benevolent big brother in the context that I use. Not a bully.

        January 17, 2015 at 3:51 pm |
      • banasy©

        Ah. Ok.

        What should that benevolent big brother do, within the parameters you have set?

        January 17, 2015 at 4:44 pm |
      • Blue Saffroń

        Negotiate and give and take a little to reach a solution. Basics of diplomacy that you mentioned.

        January 17, 2015 at 5:58 pm |
      • banasy©

        So we would still need the SD diplomats and the DoD, correct? Combining them may be feasible.
        Eliminating the SD would not be.

        January 17, 2015 at 8:27 pm |
      • Blue Saffroń

        Yup let DOD do both. Carrot and sticks. Diplomacy and war. All under one roof.

        January 17, 2015 at 9:37 pm |
      • banasy©

        Do not give the diplomacy and policy making over to the current people running the DoD unless you truly want the US to become world bullies. I find that untenable.

        January 18, 2015 at 3:58 pm |
  3. chri§§y ¥ ¥ ¥ ¥

    Good points both of you.

    January 17, 2015 at 12:46 pm | Reply
  4. Blue Saffron

    I su ck monkey di cks.

    January 17, 2015 at 1:15 pm | Reply
  5. chri§§y ¥ ¥ ¥ ¥

    I gotta agree with that @ banasy. Blue has a valid point they are interlinked and would be a whole lot more affective if they were on the same team, so to speak. Not necessarily disbanded but definitely more checks and balances. The CIA definitely has a reputation for going rogue an awful lot. And this business of being of thinking they are "above the law" has to STOP!

    January 17, 2015 at 2:09 pm | Reply
    • banasy©

      I think that some consolidation would be beneficial, @Chrissy.

      I not believe that the embassies staffs that have served to further diplomatic relations worldwide should be cut in half; very bad things happen when embassy staffs are undercut.

      January 17, 2015 at 3:35 pm | Reply
  6. chri§§y ¥ ¥ ¥ ¥

    Agree with "under one roof" i meant to say.

    January 17, 2015 at 2:11 pm | Reply
  7. chri§§y ¥ ¥ ¥ ¥

    Together would definitely give them a different and fresher perspective. And more than likely prove to be a helluva lot more affective! And earn us more credibility to the other governments around the globe!

    January 17, 2015 at 2:26 pm | Reply
  8. Blue Saffroń

    Why are we calling them terrorists? All these folks want are their lands back and be left alone. What is wrong with that? Can someone explain to me please? I am not being fastidious.

    January 17, 2015 at 2:28 pm | Reply
    • banasy©

      I understand your meaning, but how does acts of terror in countries they emigrate to legally further that?
      Stay in one's own country and fight for their country...

      I am not being facetious, either.

      January 17, 2015 at 3:42 pm | Reply
      • Blue Saffroń

        Not clear what you are imying. Can you come again with an example? Thanks.

        January 17, 2015 at 4:02 pm |
      • banasy©

        Two that come to mind would be the Boston Marathon attack and the Australian Lindt siege.

        Or, more recently, France's Charlie Hebdo attack.

        Those were perpetuated by people who emigrated from their home countries.

        I don't understand the connection between fighting to get their land back and these attacks.

        January 17, 2015 at 4:57 pm |
      • Blue Saffroń

        I would think because America and France are NATO allies that are occupying foreign lands in Iraq, Afghanistan etc and vetoing solutions of Palestine/Kashmir issues in UN or passive to them even after 70 Years. Not to mention killings of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. This is payback for them since they dont have means to send drones of Stealth bombers.

        January 17, 2015 at 5:56 pm |
      • banasy©

        Yes, but it goes right back to what I asked in the first place: but how does acts of terror in countries they emigrate to legally further that?

        Stay in one’s own country and fight for their country…

        Or, of course, risk being called a terrorist; after all, your OP said "Why are we calling them terrorists? All these folks want are their lands back and be left alone. What is wrong with that? Can someone explain to me please?"

        January 17, 2015 at 8:33 pm |
      • Blue Saffroń

        Call them terrorists or whatever. Do you think they care? Reagan called them moral equivalent of America's founding fathers. LOL.

        They are fighting their war on all fronts as you are seeing.

        If someone came to your home and threw your elderly mother father siblings and you out and took it over what would you do? And then when you fought to claim it back called you a terrorist what would you say?

        January 17, 2015 at 9:35 pm |
      • banasy©

        I would not emigrate into another country to commit acts of terrorism, or whatever spin you'd care to phrase it as. I would stay and fight those that perpetrate such atrocities on my parents.

        January 18, 2015 at 4:01 pm |
  9. chri§§y ¥ ¥ ¥ ¥

    Nothing wrong with wanting their land back. And when you said that i immediately thought of the Palestinians. However ISIS does not fall into that description. They wish to conform everyone to their religous beliefs and use brutal methods to try to make that happen.

    January 17, 2015 at 2:54 pm | Reply
  10. Yedi

    No one had a crystal ball, really. Did the Americans do right in the 2003 invasion. Debatable. I am still undecided after 14 years.

    January 17, 2015 at 3:25 pm | Reply
  11. chri§§y ¥ ¥ ¥ ¥

    We CANNOT take diplomacy out!!!! If we do that it would defeat the purpose of wishing to be leader! In fact it would make the US the equivelant of a NAZI country! We are NOT a society that welcomes dictatorship!

    January 17, 2015 at 3:55 pm | Reply
  12. Blue Saffroń

    The operating premise of these "terrorists" including ISIS is that governments of Islamic countries have failed to address the land occupation issues in Palestine and Kashmir by western nations and India. Necessitating them to step in to solve these issues among others.

    January 17, 2015 at 3:55 pm | Reply
    • Blue Saffroń

      Of course, there are other tertiary issues that led to Paris.

      Now with respect to brutally force others to their beliefs it is no different than what is happening in India these days as CNN looks the other way. Hypocrisy. Also, is droning and rectal feeding more civilized weapons of choice? The former has led to massacre of women and children.

      January 17, 2015 at 3:58 pm | Reply
      • Krm10070

        I agree that double standards and hypocrisy are thorns in the side. You may have freedom of expression but that does not mean you abuse someone's mother or father.

        When hindus chop head off and convert people to their religion it is OK but not for other people. Total hypocrisy unacceptable.

        When Americans kill it is acceptable. When others do it is terrorism. Double standards.

        So it is my sense that this war will go on till a nuclear showdown.

        January 17, 2015 at 8:47 pm |
    • Krm10070

      Why has it taken over 70 years and still the problems are not resolved? It is a problem. I don't think there will be peace till these are addressed. You don't steal land from people.

      January 17, 2015 at 8:40 pm | Reply
      • banasy©

        As both Pakistan and India have nuclear warheads, that a distinct possibility.

        January 17, 2015 at 9:06 pm |
      • Krm10070

        Then there is Palestine issue. Why do you think America does not want Iran to go nuclear?

        But that is besides the point. Ultimately US will need to use nukes to defeat these "terrorists". The problem is how do you defeat a philosophy a state in mind a movement. So I sm afraid that we will need to put in seat belts and fight the next 100 years or solve the problems identified here.

        January 17, 2015 at 9:26 pm |
  13. Blue Saffroń

    I am just playing the devil's advocate @chrissy so we can evolve a logical platform of analysis and debate.

    January 17, 2015 at 4:00 pm | Reply
  14. chri§§y ¥ ¥ ¥ ¥

    So @ Blue Saffron, do i understand you correctly? You ARE an ISIS sympathsizer???

    January 17, 2015 at 6:22 pm | Reply
  15. chri§§y ¥ ¥ ¥ ¥

    And just to keep this conversation on the up and up....Iraq has requested our help or i would agree with you on that. And sadly the people of Syria have been begging and begging and for the most part been ignored. As for Pakistan....ALL financial aid to them should be stopped IMMEDIATLY!

    January 17, 2015 at 6:30 pm | Reply
  16. Blue Saffroń

    @chrissy my stance is disclosed in my 4:00pm post. I will reach my conclusion once we debate this issue. That is why I have opened this for discussions. So I can be more educated.

    Is there anyone who would like to respond to my 3:55 and 3:58pm posts or are you too intimated by BIG BROTHER watching to be yourself? I will understand if you prefer not to.
    From my side I promise you an honest feedback on any reasonable topic.

    Whether CIA or FBI or State Police or Homeland Security is watching or not does not bother me one bit.

    January 17, 2015 at 7:09 pm | Reply
  17. Blue Saffroń

    @chrissy you have skirted the issues raised by me. But I will respond to your propositions. Modern day Iraq is under American domination for all practical purposes. Iraq was invaded by American forces for unjustifiable reasons and its government toppled and millions killed. It was unconscionable. There will be accountability. It was Baby Bush's revenge for Saddam treating Bush Sr. like s hit.

    With regards Syria, Americans are scared of ground combat.

    As pertains Pakistan I agree with you that the best gift America can give to it is to stop all aid and disengage. Pakistan does not need America. America needs Pakistan. Recall that Pakistan won the Vietnam war for America by defeating the Soviets in Afghanistan that led to the end of the cold war.

    January 17, 2015 at 7:21 pm | Reply
  18. chri§§y ¥ ¥ ¥ ¥

    Lol ok by "big brother" im assuming you are referring to NSA correct? IMO that department needs a complete overhaul. After roughly 60 years in existence you would have thought they were damn near perfect right? Yet they have failed to prevent 2 of the biggest tragedies in recent history on domest soil. However theyve succeeded in alienating some of our allies. AND im sure there are several divorce attorneys that credit their bank account increases to NSA employees snooping on their better halves!

    January 17, 2015 at 7:29 pm | Reply
  19. chri§§y ¥ ¥ ¥ ¥

    And i agree with you @ Blue 2003 should have NEVER happened. And i would like nothing better than to see GWB and Cheney punished for their crimes on that particular issue! But POTUS Obama did try to bring all troops home, in SPITE of Congress's obstructionist tactics! And it was working until ISIS. And then Iraq requested our help!

    January 17, 2015 at 7:36 pm | Reply
  20. chri§§y ¥ ¥ ¥ ¥

    And please dont credit Pakistan for the Vietnam war! Our soldiers suffered a great deal for that war and they had no part in the decision to go there! Yet were treated horribly by the people of this country for quite some time upon return. And i lost my 1st love to that war! So i would rather not discuss it again thank you! As for Pakistan...dont forget they hid Bin Laden for a very long time while recieving and accepting billions of dollars from us. Another thing i highly object too...the hiding of the very mastermind behind the murderer of my sister, and using MY tax dollars to fund them!

    January 17, 2015 at 7:45 pm | Reply
    • Krm10070

      I believe it was Prez Reagan who invited the freedom fighters to the White House to thank them for defeating the Soviets in Afghanistan. He compared them to the founding fathers of America.

      January 17, 2015 at 9:06 pm | Reply
    • Krm10070

      9/11 attackers were Saudi Arabians. They came from Saudi Arabia. We should attack them, right? Why go to Afghanistan? Compass malfunction?

      January 17, 2015 at 9:08 pm | Reply
    • Krm10070

      There are millions of Bin Ladens in the world now. It is a philosophy. Pakistan did not hide him. He hid there. Has America been able to find Prez Kennedy's assassin? Who is hiding him? Canada? It has been 50 years !!!

      Pakistan does not get any funds from America. America is broke. In fact Pakistan is financing America in the Afghan war. There are loans that IMF is giving and charging usury rates.

      Tip of hat to your deceased lover and sister.

      January 17, 2015 at 9:14 pm | Reply
  21. Blue Saffroń

    @chrissy thanks but you again skirt the issues I raise in my 3:55 and 3:58 posts. I understand your reluctance and will leave it at that. I am a straightforward person. WYSIWYG.

    January 17, 2015 at 7:46 pm | Reply
    • banasy©

      Wait...so you think that ISIS is operating in Iraq, Syria, et al because of land occupation in Palestine and India?
      Is this what yours positing?

      January 17, 2015 at 8:38 pm | Reply
      • Blue Saffroń

        My 3:55 pm post proposition states verbatim "The operating premise of these “terrorists” including ISIS is that governments of Islamic countries have failed to address the land occupation issues in Palestine and Kashmir by western nations and India. Necessitating them to step in to solve these issues among others."

        January 17, 2015 at 9:18 pm |
      • banasy©

        I asked for for clarification; repeating the post that needed clarification accomplishes nothing.

        January 18, 2015 at 4:04 pm |
  22. chri§§y ¥ ¥ ¥ ¥

    I DID address the droning issue earlier the same as i have ALWAYS said @ Blue! I am AGAINST droning and i have always been against it. As for that other thing you mentioned i dont know anything about that so i have no opinion. Except the very name of it tells me its inhumane!

    January 17, 2015 at 9:09 pm | Reply
  23. Blue Saffroń

    @chrissy thanks. My 3:55 pm post proposition states verbatim “The operating premise of these “terrorists” including ISIS is that governments of Islamic countries have failed to address the land occupation issues in Palestine and Kashmir by western nations and India. Necessitating them to step in to solve these issues among others.”

    Do you agree or disagree?

    January 17, 2015 at 9:20 pm | Reply
  24. chri§§y ¥ ¥ ¥ ¥

    @ Blue a very big AGREE. And sorry i misunderstood you earlier. I thought you meant OUR government had failed to address those problems. And i think they need to STOP trying to run all these other countries!

    January 17, 2015 at 9:48 pm | Reply
  25. Blue Saffroń

    Of course, OUR government and others do not want to solve the real estate issues either in Palestine or Kashmir...that is a given. They are the ones who created these problems in Palestine and Kashmir to begin with. It has been over seven decades. Nor do others. Therefore ISIS et al have created a need for themselves to take over all Islamic nations and neighbors and fight all those western nations and others opposed with the resources they seize.

    January 17, 2015 at 10:10 pm | Reply
  26. chri§§y ¥ ¥ ¥ ¥

    Oh and @ KM, so you dont think Pres Kennedys assassination wasnt an inside job then eh? Just the fact that our government DIDNT put in a whole lot of effort trying to put that "baby to rest" for lack of a better term, leads me to think theres alot more to that story than what weve been told.

    January 17, 2015 at 10:11 pm | Reply
  27. chri§§y ¥ ¥ ¥ ¥

    And ty @ KM...my sister was my best friend and i still miss her terribly. And FYI, dont think for one min that the Pakistan govt didnt know where Bin Laden was. They knew, they just didnt wanta lose the cash cow they had with the US! Thats why that pakistan Dr that helped the US is in prison there.

    January 17, 2015 at 10:19 pm | Reply
  28. chri§§y ¥ ¥ ¥ ¥

    @ Blue, one question for you now. We both agree droning innocent women, children and the elderly is just wrong. Wouldnt you say suicide bombing is just as wrong? And beheading innocent people for no other reason than their ethnicity?

    January 17, 2015 at 10:29 pm | Reply
    • Krm10070

      Whether they did or not is irrelevant. His million of clones spread the love. Bin Laden is to some what Bush is to others.

      The cash cow has no cash... Broke.

      The Dr. Is in for treason. Just like Jonathan Pollard.

      January 17, 2015 at 11:40 pm | Reply
      • Krm10070

        My comment above is in response to 10:19pm post of @chrissy.

        January 17, 2015 at 11:43 pm |
  29. chri§§y ¥ ¥ ¥ ¥

    Lol @ KM...of course we are broke! BECAUSE we keep giving BILLIONS to all these countries. Israel, Pakistan, Egypt etc! Money that we most likely borrow! Is it any wonder the citizens here are getting so p i s s e d off? This crap needs to STOP! And expenditures like this should be voted on by the citizens. Its our tax dollars! Its our children and our childrens children that are gonna be stuck with all this debt and we should have a say in it! Gn have a good one!

    January 18, 2015 at 1:25 am | Reply
  30. Krm10070

    Yes @chrissy we should stop giving borrowed Chinese capital to all countries INCLUDING India and Nigeria and Liberia that has chewed up our resources and cash flow. Nobody is forcing us to do so. The debt that you mention is 0.6% of total! The rest is spent on pork barrel such as wild hog reproduction habits in Waco, Texas or stealth bombs.

    January 18, 2015 at 4:23 am | Reply
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