Why Muslims are still mad at America
Men stand near their trucks as they are questioned by U.S. soldiers with the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment about the contents in their trucks on July 14, 2011 in Iskandariya, Babil Province, Iraq. (Getty Images)
September 5th, 2011
05:00 AM ET

Why Muslims are still mad at America

Editor’s Note: Steven Kull is director of the Program on International Policy Attitudes and author of the recently released book, Feeling Betrayed: The Roots of Muslim Anger at America.

By Steven Kull, Special to CNN

On the ten-year anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, many Americans are wondering whether the risk of a terrorist attack against America has been reduced.  The picture is mixed. With the death of Osama bin Laden, al Qaeda is weaker.  With revolutions in several Arab countries, frustrations with unpopular autocratic governments - a recruiting theme for terrorist groups - have been mitigated.  But one important contributing factor has not improved - widespread anger at America in the Muslim world.  While views have improved in Indonesia, throughout the Middle East and South Asia, hostility toward the United States persists unabated.

This does not mean that most Muslims support terrorist attacks on America. On the contrary, overwhelming majorities reject terrorism, including the 9/11 attacks, as morally wrong.  Al Qaeda is quite unpopular.

However, anger at America does contribute to an environment in which it is easier for anti-American terrorist groups to recruit jihadists, to generate funding and to generally operate with little government interference - witness how bin Laden operated in Pakistan and the widespread anger there when the Pakistani military failed to prevent the United States from taking him out.

Trying to understand Muslims’ feelings toward America has been the focus of a five-year study I recently completed that included conducting focus groups and surveys throughout the Muslim world.  I sat for many hours trying to understand as Muslims explained to me why they are so mad at America.

Muslims have much they do not like about how America treats them. But there is one thing that is the most fundamental: their perception that America seeks to undermine Islam - a perception held by overwhelming majorities.

The fact that many Americans blithely brush off this accusation without really understanding it is one reason this anger persists. To understand it one must go deeper into the Muslim worldview.

Muslims tend to view current events through the lens of a long-standing historical narrative.  According to this narrative, going back to the Middle Ages Christian forces from the West have persistently sought to break the grip of Islam on its people.  By holding fast, Muslims believe, they were able to flourish as a civilization, at times superseding the West in many dimensions.

Today, they believe, that struggle continues - except today the challenge is greater. Western cultural products are seen as seductively undermining Islamic culture.   More importantly, Western powers have gained extraordinary military might that is seen as threatening and coercively dominating the Muslim world and propping up secular autocrats ready to accommodate the West.  U.S. support for Israel, sometimes described as ‘America’s aircraft carrier in the region’, is seen as integral to U.S. plans for domination. All this is seen as also serving Western economic interests, such as in securing oil, which dovetails with the agenda of keeping Islam under foot.

Muslims overwhelmingly believe that the 9/11 attacks, and any attacks on civilians, are contrary to Islam.  However, many Muslims do believe that America must back away from the Muslim world.

America did not back away after 9/11.  Rather, it advanced into Afghanistan, into Iraq, and expanded its forces based in the Gulf.  Many Muslims, with their penchant for conspiracy theories, even wonder if the United States somehow engineered the 9/11 attacks to justify this advance.  When George W. Bush, in what has to go down as one of the greatest public diplomacy missteps of all time, announced a “crusade” against terrorism, the assimilation of American actions into the long-standing narrative of Western hostility to Islam was all but complete.

Like most Americans I initially viewed this as a big misunderstanding.  Muslims, it seemed, underestimated the pluralism of Western society and with an overactive historical imagination had strung together various elements - each with their own good explanation - into a paranoia-tinged narrative of American hostility to Islam.

And yet with time it became clearer to me what it was about Americans that gave them this impression.  Sure, Americans are happy to have Muslims go to their mosques.  If they want to sneak away to pray 5 times a day - fine.

But for many Muslims this pluralistic bonhomie masks an American narrative that is actually quite oppressive.  This narrative is one that some Muslims think they see even more clearly than Americans themselves.

According to this American narrative - which Muslims perceive as arrogant and dismissive - human society naturally and inevitable evolves through the stages that the West has gone through.  As in the Renaissance, religion is largely banished from the public sphere, thus allowing pluralism and diversity of beliefs in the private sphere while maintaining a secular public sphere.  This leads naturally to the elevation of individual freedoms and the emergence of democratic principles that make the will of the people the basis of the authority of law rather than revealed religious principles.

From this assumed American perspective, Muslim society is seen as simply behind the West in this evolutionary process.  Retrogressive forces in Muslim society are seen as clinging to Islamic traditions that make Sharia the basis of law, not the will of the people, and inevitably keep women in their traditional oppressed roles and minority religions discriminated against.

Muslims see this narrative as being used to justify America actually violating democratic principles in relation to the Muslim world.  Even if it is contrary to the will of the people, the United State props us autocratic governments on the basis that they are relatively more progressive - according to the assumed Western narrative - than what the people would do if they had their way.  When the Algerian military in 1991 overturned the results of a democratic election when it appeared that an Islamist party would prevail, America and other Western governments turned a blind eye.  When democratic forces arose in Tunisia and Egypt, Muslims perceive that the United States only joined the parade when the outcome was irreversible.  Still, America supports autocratic forces in Bahrain in the face of pro-democratic forces calling for change.

A particularly frustrating feature of the U.S. narrative, for Muslims, is that it divides Muslim society into a progressive liberal and secular sector on one hand and on the other a regressive Islamist sector that seeks to impose backward Islamic traditions.   America then seeks to promote the liberal forces and to undermine the Islamist forces.

This is not simply imagined. Currently in Congress there are efforts to ensure that U.S. funding of democracy promotion in Egypt only benefits liberal, secular parties and does not in any way benefit Islamist parties such as the Muslim Brotherhood.

To most Muslims this American perspective on Muslim society is simply incorrect and American efforts to choose the winner is really about America seeking to impose its Western secular model of governance and to eradicate the role of Islam in the public sphere.  Since to Muslims Islam is, by definition, meant to be in the public sphere, American efforts are seen as seeking to undermine Islam itself.

The assertion that America is misreading Muslim society is supported by polling data.  While Americans do tend to divide the Muslim public into secular and Islamist groups, polls show that Muslims do not divide so neatly.

Overwhelming majorities endorse liberal principles including that the will of the people should be the basis of governance, government leaders should be chosen through free elections and that there should be full freedom of religion.

At the same time, equally large majorities say that Sharia should be the basis of government, that all laws should be vetted by Islamic scholars to ensure they are consistent with the Koran and that Muslims should not be allowed to convert to another religion.

Obviously there are some serious contradictions here.  But these contradictions are not primarily between sectors of Muslim society but rather within Muslim individuals.  This could be described as an “internal clash of civilizations.”

Muslims are well aware of these tensions.  They are drawn to the liberal ideas of democracy and pluralism and they want to find a way to incorporate them into their societies.  Al Qaeda’s model of rejecting all Western influences in favor of purely traditional society garners little support.

At the same most Muslims want to preserve the Islamic foundations of their society and want their public life to be infused with Islamic principles.  Most want Sharia to play a greater role.  They want a quality of piety to pervade their culture. Integrating these aspirations with liberal ideas of democracy and freedom of religion is a decidedly challenging endeavor.

So it is particularly infuriating to Muslims when America intervenes in a way that is destabilizing, trying to root for one imagined side against another, in what Americans conceive of as an inevitable evolution toward the victory of one side.

If this were in fact a conflict between external groups, such interventions may in fact strengthen one side over the other. But because the conflict is actually primarily an internal conflict, America’s interventions produce a backlash, making Muslims feel that they need to do more to defend their Islamic foundations and making advocates of liberal ideas suspect.

There are reasons to believe that this effect was al Qaeda’s intended goal of the 9/11 attacks.  By provoking America into military action against Muslim targets, al Qaeda hoped to revive the age-old narrative of the crusading West and to drive the Muslim people into the arms of al Qaeda’s vision of a purely traditional Islamic society devoid of liberal or Western elements.

Al Qaeda did not succeed in drawing in most Muslims.  Al Qaeda’s terrorist methods are seen as wrong and its vision as too extreme.  The hold of liberal ideas is not easy to shake. However, al Qaeda did succeed in pulling the United States into a position in the Muslim world that has alienated much of Muslim society.

By intervening in ways that have enhanced the polarization of secular and Islamist forces the United States has also made it more difficult for Muslims to build a political space within which they can find a middle ground that integrates these elements into a more coherent whole.

As America begins to gradually disengage from Iraq and Afghanistan there is the potential for negative feelings toward the United States to begin to abate.  Muslims generally perceive U.S. military forces in the region as a threatening presence designed to keep the region the way America wants it to be. Any lightening of America’s military footprint will further mitigate this sense of being coerced.

But perhaps most fundamentally, America’s relationship is most likely to improve as it comes to understand, accept and embrace the whole of Muslim society and the course of development that it has chosen for itself.  Muslims believe that they are on a different path than the West .  This path is central to their notion of their freedom to practice their religion.  When they feel that America is threatening their religion and their aspirations, they grow resolutely hostile.

As Americans we may believe that it is not possible to blend such a form of religiosity and liberal values.  Maybe Muslims will conclude this too.  But only when Muslims perceive America as no longer being an obstacle to their endeavor will they be able to move forward in their discovery.  And it is only then that America’s relationship with the Muslim world will become more amicable.

The views expressed in this article are solely those of Steven Kull.

Post by:
Topics: Islam • Middle East • Perspectives • Poll • United States

soundoff (1,827 Responses)
  1. Brian Macker

    "On the contrary, overwhelming majorities reject terrorism, including the 9/11 attacks, as morally wrong. Al Qaeda is quite unpopular."

    Only because they started killing lots of Muslims.

    From a new article on Pew research poll: "But the situation in Jordan and Pakistan is different. In Jordan, confidence in bin Laden rose to 60 percent from 55 percent. In Pakistan, 51 percent of those surveyed registered confidence in him, up from 45 percent four years ago."

    Muslims also so extremely large numbers in support for terrorism against innocent Israeli citizens.

    Now if you ask them is killing innocents compatible with Islam they will of course say no. The problem is that non-Muslims aren't innocent in the eyes of their religion, and especially Jews.

    September 5, 2011 at 8:42 am | Reply
    • Brian Macker

      Oh, and that report was talking about a decline in support for terrorism. Most Islamic countries started with higher numbers that went down after terrorist started killing Muslims in large numbers. Those two countries were the exception.

      September 5, 2011 at 8:44 am | Reply
      • Whistle Blower

        There shouldn’t be a shadow of doubt in anyone’s mind that all muslims hate America. They live in some western countries and enjoy a safe and respectable life compared to where they came from but still they want to destroy it. Some say it openly and some in a subtle way. Like Fareed Zakaria of GPS CNN, he always tries to bring topics which warrants that America is going down (which is his deepest desire like all muslims), China, India and any other country in the world is going up. He always picked the negative side of any news to make US look bad.

        September 5, 2011 at 4:41 pm |
      • TrueAmerican

        WhistleBlower – Fareed is a very smart man. Remember a good mirror is your best friend. It reflects your true image, even if you are ugly & stupid!

        September 5, 2011 at 4:46 pm |
      • Cogito

        Whistleblower – Fareed Zakaria is not a Muslim. Check up on your facts (and and review your grammar) before you start playing professor and journalist.

        September 5, 2011 at 5:33 pm |
      • Kyle

        "cog" and "True," Whistle didn't call him a muslim. He said, "like all muslims." He was making a comparison.

        Perhaps you two heroes should learn some reading comprehension prior to posting comments, eh comrades? Your scholarship is atrocious.

        September 5, 2011 at 6:19 pm |
      • Paul

        Fareed Zakaria is an Indian, born in a muslim konkani family.

        September 5, 2011 at 6:19 pm |
      • Chanceofflight

        This article failed to mention how the view is also due to America's selected Monarchs. The West had put Gadaffi, Mubarak, as well as many others in charge to keep the people oppressed. So in a way the narritive is correct, the West is trying to dominant the Middle East. Not necessarily physically, but influences certain groups.

        Many Muslims love the idea of the US, however it is the fact that many Americans have drawn a hostility towards Muslim Sharia Law. It isn't because it is oppressive towards women or rules out Democracy, this is a common misunderstanding; it actually promotes woman's rights and Democracy. The issue is many mistaken cultural norms for religion. That is a big issue in the region, mixing culture and religion when they go against each other.

        September 5, 2011 at 6:51 pm |
      • bobinLA

        Nonsense Brian! While there are extremists and some misconceptions of how the average American/westerner thinks, they are not far off from the way many of the worlds governments look at their cultures as the article states.
        Conversely, Americans/Westerners look at all Muslims with a broad stroke instead of realizing that the pictures we see of rallies and marchers make up only a small part of their numbers.
        We have gone in and backed dictators for oil. we have allowed oppressive regimes to thrive at the cost of their people countrymen- how else should they feel given what they see upfront and in their faces?

        September 5, 2011 at 6:54 pm |
      • CalgarySandy

        Christian Fundamentalists are trying to wipe out Islam. They are also into getting rid of your civil liberties too. They believe that ONLY their take on Christianity is correct and they will never shut up about it or stop trying to undermine or destroy alternative approaches to Christianity. They are bigots with a smile for other Christians they intend on dragging into their faith and look of pure blood lust when looking at Muslims. It is the Christian Fundamentalists who are dragging the West and especially the US down. They want to tear down the Dome of the Rock and replace it with the mythical temple of Solomon. They are using Jews to help them destroy Judaism too. I believe, having been raised and abused by these fascists, that if they were allowed to kill people who disagree with them they would and they would say they got the okay from God himself. All you have to do is pay attention to these extremists on the Right to know what they have planned for us. Moderate Christians, for the most part, want nothing to do with them but do not have the moral fiber or courage to stand up and say "not in my name." This gives the fringe extremists the belief that other
        Christians support them. They do not and they do not support anything else either. At least moderate Muslims do protest and do die protesting.

        September 5, 2011 at 7:08 pm |
      • MagnumPIE

        Saying all muslims hate America is like saying all christians hate Egypt. Not only false, but extraordinarily ignorant.

        September 5, 2011 at 7:14 pm |
      • Sammy

        Sorry - not replying to you personally - but I didn't see a "Post" button anywhere. My view? I couldn't care less about whether America hates Muslims. I hate ALL relligions equally! I say "good riddance" to the lot of 'em! We don't NEED religion - we need more ethics. And stronger self-esteem as people. Then we might get somewhere.

        September 5, 2011 at 7:24 pm |
      • Brian Macker

        Sorry Whistleblower, I cannot agree that all Muslims hate America. I know muslims that don't. They also happen to want to change it, just like some Christian fundamentalists. I don't think that is a sign of hate. Just that they have a different religion. One that doesn't allow for freedoms for others.

        September 5, 2011 at 7:44 pm |
      • John R

        To CalgarySandy,

        As a (supposed another) Canadian, I'm just embarrassed by your ridiculous attack on Christianity. Muslim defects-caused the 9-11 attacks. After much fuss and study, I'm done with considering any conspiracies. And as for fringe Christians or whatever...geez Lousie...the US went to war because 1. they were angry, and/or like scared children who wanted revenge, and 2. it bolstered the military-industrial complex. Those comments will make some Americans angry, but I see them as the true cause of launching a war in Iraq.

        To believe that it's Christians who want to exterminate Muslims....holey mackerel dandy. Sure, that's right. We're dropping bibles from airplanes...not. Believe whatever you're simple mind makes you feel happy. The war(s) are about revenge, and oil. That's it. What an embarrassment to Calgary.

        September 5, 2011 at 7:47 pm |
      • Dan

        I am Muslim and love this country. All you arguments are now invalid.

        September 5, 2011 at 7:58 pm |
      • cocoloco

        Allah is the devil (an old pagan idol from the middle east – research it!). Muslims are ignorant people. The U.S. is naive. Hope total destruction comes soon! Have a great day!

        September 5, 2011 at 8:20 pm |
      • Will

        Wow Sandy how insightful bringing extremist Christians into the mix. You have some conspiracy theory circulating around in your head eating up the common sense. These Christians are not barbarians seeking to kill those that do not except their mindset, they are only "pushy" with their ideologies attempting to save the lost. Immerse yourself in Muslim culture if you want to experience true radicalism. As for the downfall of America, now that would be the loss of "American Spirit" and hardworking initiative my parents grew up with, not radical Christians.

        September 5, 2011 at 8:47 pm |
      • Mariam

        What decline in support for terrorism are u talking about? After Mubarak's fall, over a million people from the Muslime brotherhood in Egypt were chanting " Obama Obama we are all Osama" in Tahrir Square. The USA is going to regret not standing by Mubarak their ally who knew how to deal with those terrorists.

        September 6, 2011 at 12:32 am |
      • DionG

        @will, it is easy to "lose" our "american spirit" when our government is completly refusing to do its job. and these christian fundamentalists are a bit more than "pushy." some are downright hateful.
        @miriam, really? mubarak knew how to deal with those "terrorists"? the simple fact that he was overthrown is a clear example that HE DID NOT KNOW HOW TO CONTROL THEM. which is a thought process that has created this whole problem. its people like you that will always ensure that the muslim world will always have angry feelings toward the US.

        September 6, 2011 at 8:00 am |
      • Frank

        In all fairness, most of us Americans didn't seem to have particularly strong negative views about Al Qaeda until they killed a whole lot of us.

        September 6, 2011 at 9:49 am |
      • Jihadless

        It is true that most Americans do not understand Muslims. Our arrogance infuriates people all over the world. But to claim the Muslim community is not secular but only has internal strife is obtuse. Hiding behind the Karan to justify your treatment of the Kurds in Turkey, Iran, and Iraq is just as bad as western civilizations using the bible justify the crusades. We may be no more advanced than you, but until you realize the value of the separation of church and state, the Muslim world will not advance.

        September 6, 2011 at 11:21 am |
      • peacefrog

        In all fairness Frank, very few people in the US had even heard of Al Qaeda prior to 9/11. It's hard to dislike something you are not even aware exists.

        September 6, 2011 at 11:24 am |
      • obamanable

        CalgarySandy and John R.: What the hell is wrong with you Canadians!? You and Europe have this schizophrenic penchant for socialism, appeasement, and political correctness. Much like Neville Chamberlain with Nazi Germany, the West ignores the threat from Islam at our peril. Moreover, unlike Christianity, the teachings of Islam are anathema to peace. Christ taught only peace and love. Mohammed conquered, pillaged, and murdered. The contrast could not be starker. Whether men have historically corrupted the respective religions is another question altogether.

        September 6, 2011 at 5:06 pm |
      • obamanable

        CalgarySandy and John R.: What the hell is wrong with you Canadians!? You like Europe have this schizophrenic penchant for socialism, appeasement, and political correctness. Much like Neville Chamberlain with Hitler, the West ignores the threat from Islam at our peril. Moreover, unlike Christianity, the teachings of Islam are anathema to peace. Christ taught only peace and love. Mohammed conquered, pillaged, and murdered. The contrast could not be starker. Whether men have historically corrupted the respective religions is another question altogether.

        September 6, 2011 at 5:10 pm |
      • propmgr

        @WhistleBlower – No, not all Muslims hate America. That statement is simply not true.

        September 7, 2011 at 10:48 am |
      • Samba

        @Whistle & Kyle: Tell me the truth.. How many Muslims friends or Muslims do you know? Where do you get your info from, is it from the media? So, please first, go and have a chat with some Muslims before saying "ALL MUSLIMS", dip shixt....

        September 7, 2011 at 5:13 pm |
      • msa morad

        as a movie producer, why amrican always target, because there is no sensor board for the international religious movies,
        as a muslim, they do not accept any religious move on jeses moses mohammad, because they are came in this word for the peace and not for trouble , there person is egeption and made movie in states there fore they are not going behand him, they are thinking why state gave the permission and that guy made movie against their religion.

        September 14, 2012 at 4:39 pm |
      • Errorist

        I read with interest as someone alluded that because Fareed Zakaria was born on the Indian Sub-Continent, he could not possibly be a Muslim.

        I have only one, sensible response. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!! x-D

        May 13, 2013 at 2:14 am |
    • Dr Ruth

      I worke in the US and one thing I found out is that most americans are mostly open minded and accepting of others, the problem arrise on the lack of knowledge of other cultures, most americand are not sducated enough to understand..

      is a nice way to put it I guess...

      September 5, 2011 at 10:09 am | Reply
      • Daniel Allen

        People who come to our country need to respect our culture more, not the other way around. You have things backward.

        September 5, 2011 at 11:42 am |
      • rowan

        my education may not be as far up the ladder as some, but my common sense is off the charts. and i read more in one day than most college students read in a yr. just because some of us dont have that framed piece of paper on our wall to prove we can grasp what is going on around us and whats being said, doesnt mean were unable to see another persons point of view or the points of their religion. its amazing that a piece of paper on wall can make someone think those that dont have said piece of paper are just stupid, and refuse to learn. wow, lol, id expect better from some one that educated.

        September 5, 2011 at 11:42 am |
      • jonathan

        @ Daniel, you do need to understand the enemy.. this article is all about understanding them; it seems to me that they (Muslims) and the right-wing of Christianity in America want the same thing..I am sincerely deeply Christian and I want the opposite for both.. 🙂 🙂

        September 5, 2011 at 12:37 pm |
      • Dannyp

        Daniel is exactly right!!! Thank you sir

        September 5, 2011 at 12:40 pm |
      • Marti

        There is a lack of education about culture on both sides of the issue. So what? America is a country of vast numbers of immigrants. We cannot be expected to learn about the culture of each of them. However, we do not see the violence and inhumane things done in other cultures like we see in Islam. Perhaps we should not judge a culture by the small percentage that do things we Americans can NEVER understand, but we were reminded on 9/11 what that small faction is capable of. I would like to count the number of Christian churches in the Middle East, compared to the number of mosques in America. For me, this article means nothing

        September 5, 2011 at 12:46 pm |
      • flyingram

        Dr. Ruth -

        It is certainly true that all Muslim men are not terrorists. It is equally true that the great majority of terrorists world-wide ARE Muslim.

        Part orf the issue is that the American Muslim community is generally mute on the issue.

        A question that is not being asked, much less answered:
        Why aren't Muslims in this country – many of whom who are American citizens – marching in the streets, demanding that the Islamists and radcials stop killing innocents in the name of Allah. Instead, it appears that American Muslims have circled the wagons.

        I'm waiting for a reply...

        September 5, 2011 at 1:14 pm |
      • Connie

        Dr. Ruth...to put it nicely...your spelling $uck$. I've moved around the US and Europe for years, and I never once tried to insinuate that they lacked culture or were illiterate. What you don't realize, is the MAJORITY of the world has no interest in visiting countries in the middle east.

        September 5, 2011 at 1:15 pm |
      • Wzrd1

        Daniel, your view is the PRECISE cause of the religious street wars in US cities in the past, where the US Army had to patrol the streets in American cities, because the majority Protestant populace told the immigrant Roman Catholics to abandon their religious culture. Where churches were burned and hundreds were killed.
        Brilliant way to try to repeat the mistakes of history and ignore the hell out of the first amendment.

        September 5, 2011 at 1:20 pm |
      • nonterrorist

        Reply to Dr Ruth: If Americans knew more about Islam, and how the Koran says to "kill the infidel wherever you find him," and how the Koran says that lying is morally acceptable when used to deceive infidels and advance Islam, they would not tolerate the invasion of large numbers of Muslims into our country, where they are pursuing their goal of an Islamic America. Ignorance is bliss. When they learn the truth, it will probably be too late.

        September 5, 2011 at 1:29 pm |
      • memo2

        It's just a matter of jealousy and insecurity.

        September 5, 2011 at 1:41 pm |
      • Dr. Detroit

        FACT: All terrorists flying planes on 911 were MUSLIM, so, if the Muslim community dislikes being grouped together or labeled, here is a suggestion. DO SOMETHING, try denouncing those who killed on 911, do it in public. You won't and you know why. Another attack of any kind on US soil where a Muslim of any kind kills or destroyes will start a chain of events the Mid-east won't even believe. We don't care if you are offended, get over it.

        September 5, 2011 at 1:44 pm |
      • jimrytown

        @daniel: Yet, when we Americans travel to other countries, we expect to be treated as if we are more sophisticated than the natives of the country we are visiting. It is no wonder some countries treat us with disrespect. We treat others as if we have a superiority complex built into our psyche.

        September 5, 2011 at 1:47 pm |
      • Carla

        I can't tell you how much I adore the fact that your post in re: the stupidity of Americans is filled with grammatical and spelling errors. I guess most Muslims just aren't educated enough to grasp the English language.

        September 5, 2011 at 1:53 pm |
      • Daniel Allen

        To Jimrytown. I've been to 3 other countries, and I haven't acted at all as you describe. Just because some do has nothing to do with anything. a spurious fact at best.
        I fully knew i was the foreigner and asked for no one in any of these countries to change any laws or customs to accommodate me. Even if I had laid permanent roots in one of these countries i would never try to bend them to my will.

        September 5, 2011 at 2:18 pm |
      • DisconsolateChimera

        @flyingram @drdetroit FACT: All successful terrorist attacks in the US since 9/11 have been perpetrated by non-Middle Eastern Males. In fact, except for one by and Israeli, they've all been by white, Christian Males! Go to fbi.gov and see for yourself.

        Who does that tell you, statistically, to be watching out for?

        September 5, 2011 at 2:23 pm |
      • kayms92

        Dan is right. If we live with each other in peace, as is the case here in the US, there is no need to "educate" ourselves to another's culture.

        September 5, 2011 at 2:58 pm |
      • Mike

        Dr Ruth-
        Your comment about Americans being closed minded about other cultures is a very "closed minded" argument. Americans are exposed to different cultures everyday of their life. For example, I wake up every morning to an American breakfast, Greek for lunch and Indian for dinner. I know countless foreigners who come to America and refuse to try different segments of dishes because they are only use to their home food (that's ethnocentric).

        Also, your accusations are not based on facts or statistical findings. Here is something for you to research: After 9/11 how many books about Islam were sold in the United States? Compare that to how many books about American culture are purchased in Muslim societies? The truth sometimes hurt. and the fact remains- A majority of Americans are more cultured than any other society on this earth!!!!

        September 5, 2011 at 3:00 pm |
      • alboze

        Americans are real accepting of all who come here but why do you feel that they need to understand or be educted about other cultures. This country belongs to Americans, you come here, you learn our culture. We go to your country, we learn your culture. You need to be educted about how the world works and stop believing that yours is the only culture and everyong else must conform.

        September 5, 2011 at 3:08 pm |
      • fareed garbage

        So I guess you will be wearing a face covering burka the next chance you get then? Those our their customs, not ours. So the misunderstanding is where?

        September 5, 2011 at 3:47 pm |
      • sassypants

        I agree with Danny!

        September 5, 2011 at 3:57 pm |
      • Hoog

        I love how American's are the ones seen as not educated in the ways of others, but we are to assume that others are completely educated, and absolute in their understanding of Americans? I find that rather absurd, and difficult to believe, and unsafe to assume all that you have stated.

        September 5, 2011 at 4:40 pm |
      • Marla

        You sound very EDUMACATED...

        September 5, 2011 at 5:01 pm |
      • Mike

        Well said flyingram, I doubt you ever will get a reply. Funny how CNN and their ilk never pursue this...

        September 5, 2011 at 5:11 pm |
      • Ann

        That is also the case for most muslims..they do not know or understand the average American..they hate our government and so they hate us as well.

        September 5, 2011 at 5:14 pm |
      • heliocracy

        Rowan, one of the great things about education is that it shows you how much you don't know. You say you have heaps of common sense, which, in truth, simply means that it's easy to have all the answers when you only understand the bare surface of what are actually very complicated issues. This country is full of people who consider themselves experts on politics, economics, and science based on nothing more than their simpleton observations, and people who actually know these subjects in depth just shake their heads in despair at what those people think they know.

        September 5, 2011 at 5:30 pm |
      • rene

        Daniel: People who come to this planet need to have a better understanding and respect of all cultures regardless of what country you come from or which country you migrated to. Americans like you are narcissistic bigots.

        September 5, 2011 at 5:36 pm |
      • Jay Zoo

        Go home. Absent that, learn not to mangle the English language. If you don't like this place, leave. We don't have to respect your culture. You're here. Assimilate or go home.

        September 5, 2011 at 5:45 pm |
      • sugpie 1953

        On 9-11 MILLIONS of MOHAMMADENS CHEERED in their streets. If you convert to Christianinty from Islam, you are worthy of execution. What kind of religion does that? Why should I respect your religion. I do not.

        September 5, 2011 at 5:50 pm |
      • JustChecking

        @DisconsolateChimera: Looked into it...you're right. Najibullah Zazi, Faouk Mutallab, and the FedEx printer bombs never happened...our mistake. Idiot.

        September 5, 2011 at 5:55 pm |
      • JustChecking

        @DisconsolateChimera: Looked into it...you're right. Najibullah Zazi, Farouk Mutallab, and the FedEx printer bombs never happened...our mistake. Idiot.

        September 5, 2011 at 5:55 pm |
      • JustChecking

        @DisconsolateChimera: Oh, and Nadal Hassan at Ft. Hood didn't happen...

        Know your facts before you spout off on things you know not.

        September 5, 2011 at 6:00 pm |
      • Mike in NY

        No, it's NOTa nice way to put it. You work in the U.S. and make dollars but can't write English properly???You talk about Americans not being educated but your message here is full of errors..... isn't that typical? When you learn to speak, read and write correctly, you should come back. Check the literacy scores in the atlas and you'll quickly see that the U.S.is very literate. Not everyone here is cultured but many of us have passports and enjoy traveling to other countries. We go there to see the world and visit. We return home and share our nice travel stories. On the contrary, many people come to the U.S., work, send their money homem, live many to an apartment, don't get to see the rest of the U.S. because they're busy working to send the money home and then speak ill of Americans. Not everyone is this way but many are and this too should not be overlooked.

        September 5, 2011 at 6:14 pm |
      • Paul

        Americans are more understanding and aware of other cultures than any other people. Those who come to this country need to appreciate and respect their way of living. If some one gets offended seeing a female in a bikini, he does not belong here. Period.

        September 5, 2011 at 6:26 pm |
      • Zak

        the word you are looking for is ignorant

        September 5, 2011 at 6:57 pm |
      • JeffA

        Funny – it's always Americans who have to 'change' to make the world better. We give money, training, supplies, military hardware, support, education, leadership... but still the people who wrote or contributed to the article, and the very basis of it's publication is that people who receive all this STILL THINK we don't accept them for who they are??? We are so open to everyone's personal philosophy, until it infringes on others' foundational rights! What bunk! All we hear about from the louder Muslims is that they teach death to anyone who doesn't believe what they do, and death to Americans period. (I get that those are from radicals...) but the simple truth is, why is this even an issue that the Muslim community is afraid of U.S. being judgmental about their religion? They don't need us to bless their religion, any more than we need them to bless anyone else's, nor do we need the Muslim community to expect "Americans" who include ALL RELIGIONS to 'recognize' their right to believe what they want? I really just don't care, and wouldn't try to change them – where do they get the idea that some people here are any more concerned about them than any other element in this life that might polarize a few people here or there. But hear this – if you believe that Muslims have the right to believe Christians should all die, there will be problems. If any Muslims survive the next 50 years thinking that other people in the world must bow to behavior expected within the Muslim community, you have another think coming. My problem right here and now is the kind of notion that we must impose Muslim ideologies or religious behavior out of respect to their beliefs on ourselves – you are completely crazy. I don't have to learn about Muslims – but their community better also leave me alone. (besides the fact that their basis is factually wrong) – but we can coexist with all but the radical nut-cases that seem to represent the loudest presence. I encourage REAL Muslims to do some PR to show the difference, but in reality, it will all be for nothing since they are all doomed anyway.

        September 5, 2011 at 7:06 pm |
      • John Ali

        Let me say that I am an American Muslim. My grand father and great grandfather both fought in the U.S. army. Let me say that EVERYONE that lives in America does not have ancestral roots here. We all came from different places and therefore have to respect one another culture. Islam does not permit the use of violence against Christians and Jews. On the contrary it says respect the people of the book. It says to use violence only in self defense and even in that case you cannot harm woman or children and it condemns suicide. Also, for those ignorant people that say that most "terrorist "are muslim, you need to educate yourself! The word terrorist is used to loosely. I condemn the 9/11 attacks and Al-Qaeda and I openly say that! But think of all the other people that commit terrorism (instilling fear into people). There are plenty of gang members who claim to be Christian. Look at the Norwegian terrorist that killed all those people two months ago. Look at the Zionists in Israel who claim to be Jewish that committed all those atrocities. Somebody can say that they are a religion but they must be judged by their actions! I encourage all of you to educate yourself about Islam. I don't care if you believe in it, I just want you to understand and respect it as I do for every religion!

        September 5, 2011 at 7:14 pm |
      • John R

        From Wzrd1

        "Daniel, your view is the PRECISE cause of the religious street wars in US cities in the past, where the US Army had to patrol the streets in American cities, because the majority Protestant populace told the immigrant Roman Catholics to abandon their religious culture. Where churches were burned and hundreds were killed."

        Wizard, what on earth on your talking about? "Religious street wars"? "...majority Protestant populace told the immigrant Roman Catholics to abandon their religious culture"?

        I'm not American. I am religious. I live, with a green card, in AZ but travel the world to compare economies and cultures of other nations. In this day and age of the internet, with the ability to look up and study anything, I'm just stunned someone would be able to paste together a few characters of flotsum.

        For what it's worth to anyone, I've know quite a few people of the Muslim faith, and other faiths, including atheist (not necessarily faithless, either...). Part of it is US foreign policy...we know that. But quite honestly, a great deal of Muslim hate is taught by Mullahs and clerics based upon their narrow perceptions. I've rarely met so many people who are tongue tied to give actual reasons for hating a country and yet are unable to do so. Poorly based perceptions...people in every country in the world are guilty of this. It's the reason Muslims hate the US, but it's also why the US went to war in Iraq.

        Ah, who cares. 7 billion people in the world. We all hate each other. For some reason or another. Aliens could abduct all Americans, or all Muslims. In 10 years, there'd be another hated group. It's the true nature of people.

        September 5, 2011 at 7:38 pm |
      • Danielle C

        Daniel Allen - What gives you the right to tell immigrants here to assimilate? Did you forget that this country belongs to the NATIVE Americans? Your words are hypocritical.

        September 5, 2011 at 8:04 pm |
      • Cecilie

        Dear Dr. Ruth,
        I'm so glad you had the opportunity to live and work in the US.
        I've also had the opportunity to live and work outside the US. I am a Christian, USAF(ret), and a respecter of peoples and their cultures.
        I insisted on my children learning at least one other language than our native American-English to expand their minds. With another language, I instructed them about the culture as well. I've gone as far as to immerse my children in the cultures of other countries as they learn the language. They've even attended the regular schools for the countries we lived in rather than attending DOD schools. What a wonderful opportunity to discuss cultural differences (not always taken to be negative as the word differences may infer) and seek out the logic and understanding of the said differences. With this comes acceptance of others, unconditional love, and respect.
        I do NOT seek to convert others to my faith. It is my faith and that's all there is to it. If someone asks me about what I believe I will share, but not beat them over the head with it.
        I believe the US government has gone way overboard through the years of our existence sticking political fingers into other people's business and stirring up problems all for the desire to strengthen the almighty dollar. I am ashamed for the way American has manipulated and violated other countries' rights through financial and political maneuverings.
        I live in Mexico now and will be returning home soon. It is sad to see so many of the beautiful young folks of Mexico aping the sad trends of American behavior as seen on television programs and movies. I believe we are responsible for our cultural output as a nation and we are failing the world with the drivel we spout in these medias. The majority of
        Americans are not justly portrayed on television or movies. We just want peace, comfort, and a social conscience we can live with. I see this as well for other countries our media tries to color with select news stories to incite violence or strong public opinion in the US. The 'news' of today is not much about news, but more of exploitation and sensationalization of some obscure fact to manipulate the public minds.

        September 5, 2011 at 8:29 pm |
      • Alex

        We in american are tolerant of different religions, but you don't hear a christian, catholic, mormon, or a hindu scream allah
        right before he blow himself and other around into pieces and telling us we are ignorant of muslim religion sorry but
        we never know what the ideals of other people are.

        September 5, 2011 at 8:33 pm |
      • Cecilie

        Dr. Ruth,
        As to your grammatical and spelling mistakes in your posts...it's ok. I haven't read or heard an American who can speak or write out own language perfectly! Second languages are not always easy. American English is one of the most difficult languages to try to master with all the various pronunciations and myriad meanings for the same word. I'm thankful that when I speak or write incorrectly the language of another, they don't attack my intelligence, but accept what I'm trying to do -communicate.
        Again, Regards.

        September 5, 2011 at 8:45 pm |
      • dibick99

        We're educated enough to know that Muslims can't be trusted.

        September 5, 2011 at 11:36 pm |
      • JASON

        I agree. Americans are generally very ignorant when it comes to other cultures and people. It's sad given the fact that the US is so diverse.

        September 5, 2011 at 11:53 pm |
      • Mariam

        I am Egyptian christian and I love America and its open minded kind people. I chose to come here so I respect their culture. If anyone does not, then they should leave and go back to where they came from.

        September 6, 2011 at 12:26 am |
      • Dr. Doctor

        Look! I am a doctor now too! The interwebs make us all super edumacated!

        September 6, 2011 at 12:37 am |
      • TCP

        If your culture includes the destruction of other cultural (religious) icons, the wanton murder of anyone who happens to get in your way (including your own), and the publicly announced mission to kill "infidels" wherever they may be then I need no further understanding. Oh, and you'd be surprised at how well sducated (sic) we are...

        September 6, 2011 at 6:09 am |
      • Jeff S

        @sugpie 1953....every religion does that. Please spend some time learning about the history and religions of the world.

        September 6, 2011 at 7:42 am |
      • Derek

        It's true many (but certainly not all) Americans are not educated about other cultures and many Americans who travel abroad don't bother learning the culture of the country they visit. Tourists to the USA should learn something about our history or culture but we should learn from them as well. In fact, many Americans don't know enough about our own history & culture. Many of our high school students can't name all the states on a map and many don't know who the President was during the Civil War. So first we Americans need to learn our own history & culture before we expect visitors to learn USA history & culture.

        September 6, 2011 at 10:04 am |
      • kard

        Dr. Ruth – you are contradicting yourself ... "that most americans are mostly open minded and accepting of others, the problem arrise on the lack of knowledge of other cultures, most americand are not sducated enough to understand". Regardless, of whether the country you choose to immigrate to is accepting of you or educated enough to understand your culture – as you say – YOU are the one making a choice to come here and YOU are the one who needs to respect your host country, not the other way around. Otherwise it is rude, threatening, and leads to a push back. Are you open minded, accepting, and educated enough to understand the age-old saying "When in Rome, do as the Romans"?

        September 6, 2011 at 10:22 am |
      • Narthex

        Daniel Allen: " I've been to 3 other countries, and I haven't acted at all as you describe. Just because some do has nothing to do with anything. a spurious fact at best."

        Just become some do has nothing to do with anything. Please remember those words the next time you're about to denounce/categorize an entire religion and the millions of different people that practice it.

        September 6, 2011 at 10:52 am |
      • Paul

        If you want to educate yourself about the "culture of Islam" start with history book and read about the 8-10 million Indians and Persians who were massacred by Mohammed for refusing to convert and follow their bloody trail through out the last 1500 years right up to today and the people being murdered in Africa as I type this for the crime of not being Muslim and refusing forced conversion. That's all you really need to be educated about understand what's going on.

        September 6, 2011 at 10:55 am |
      • Roger in Florida

        Well, after reading all that tripe I have come to the conc;lusion that the average American is pretty much uneducated and stupid.

        Clueless bafoons that chant USA USA #1 #1 while being 41st in infant mortality, 34th in Math, 38th in literacy and not even in the top 10 when it comes to standard of living. Estonia beats America.

        And you people are too stupid to notice that you're not numer uno anymore. Unless of course you count starting wars.

        The Christian extremists like Bachman and Palin are all around us and you bafoons cheer them on.

        September 6, 2011 at 10:57 am |
      • Obi-Juan

        Dr. Ruth,

        Please do not lecture us about being uneducated when you have 4 misspellings in your comment.

        September 6, 2011 at 11:20 am |
      • Chaba

        For all of you who want to send Muslims back home or demand that we "respect your culture", I can only ask you where I am supposed to go as a Muslim, career soldier and card-carrying member of the DAR? Yeah, my multiple-great grandaddy was George Washington's army surgeon. Does it stick in your civilian craw that I am preserving your rights to bash my freedom to religion? Now who is REALLY the better person?

        September 6, 2011 at 11:56 am |
      • ccastine

        i agree Dr. Ruth. some of us are not educated enough. so that is why our first education lesson being 9/11 is so problematic. if say, your first time skiing you went down a hill ran into a tree and cracked your head open, you may be reluctant to go skiing again.

        September 6, 2011 at 2:04 pm |
      • ccastine

        also, its somewhat ignorant to say we are not educated on other cultures. your speaking to a country that was LITERALLY and still is built on immigration. what you have in the middle east are basically all the same people who follow the same religion, but want to live their lives and be governed differently. and they have been fighting about this for a ridiculous amount of time. we debate about our problems, not strap bombs to our followers chest and blow up women and children and innocents in supermarkets and office buildings and places of worship. so, who is really ignorant here?

        September 6, 2011 at 2:14 pm |
      • Peter Beck

        Well put.

        September 7, 2011 at 1:34 pm |
      • Samba

        @Daniel Allen "People who come to our country need to respect our culture more, not the other way around. You have things backward." – So much for a "false" American to make such a statement... Dude, did your ancestors respected the Native American Indians and their way of life?!! You have the audacy to post such a comment where your ancestors (provided you are a second/third/fourth generation US citizen) practically wiped away the Native Americans because of cultural differences... So get some history lesson before you start bragging about how others shoul drespect your culture... The original post is spot on... Because you Americans live in such a big continent, you are ignorant of other cultures and how they live... It was just a few months ago where school teachers were saying Brazilians live in the Amazon jungle and they live like monkeys... This was published in local pepares and was all over the internet.. Talk about ignorance.. shhhhh

        September 7, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
    • Kar

      On 9/11, it was generally unpopular in a good deal of the Arab world. I know this because I was in Egypt when the attacks took place. No one I knew was celebrating those attacks, despite the fact that CNN seemed to find the few celebrations that went on and broadcast them.

      Israel angers Arabs (note use of Arabs instead of Muslims) for reasons other than that which you mention. First off, from the perspective of the Palestinians, the side with which Arabs can identify, Israelis are the ones overwhelmingly killing innocent Palestinian civilians. The fact that Arab regimes used hatred of Israel to distract their citizens from questioning autocratic governance didn't help Arabs' opinions of Arabs.

      Saying that non-Muslims aren't innocent in terms of Islam is the thing I probably disagree most with your statement. Only the Jihadist viewpoint, that held by Bin Laden, argues that non-Muslims are legitimate targets of violence. You're taking a small subset and generalizing that view for an entire religion. That's not okay.

      September 5, 2011 at 10:34 am | Reply
      • jake

        sorry but your last paragraph is WRONG.

        September 5, 2011 at 11:27 am |
      • Kar

        Explain please.

        September 5, 2011 at 11:29 am |
      • Daniel Allen

        You fail to mention the daily rockets that the palistinians fire into Israel everyday, ALL DAY...EVERYDAY.

        September 5, 2011 at 11:35 am |
      • Daniel Allen

        And Its the Mooslum country of Jordan that kicked the palistinians out decades ago. Why don't you condemn them. and why doesn't one of the large Mooslum countries over there, give land to their fellow palistinian "Brothers"? Oh yeah.....its not the right dirt.

        September 5, 2011 at 11:40 am |
      • kar

        As far as the Israeli-Palestinian issue: I really regret opening up this can of worms; it immediately sucks all attention away from the issue being discussed. So the short of it: I'm not agreeing with the view; I'm merely stating it. It's wrong and hypocritical. Palestinian militants do fire rockets into Israel and kill innocent Israeli citizens. And as far as other Arab regimes, I agree; they use their citizens' sympathy for the Palestinians to deflect criticism while consciously refusing to actually help Palestinian refugees.

        But what I'm trying to point out is that Arabs view Israel as a country that kills innocent Palestinians (read almost any news report on Israeli raids/attacks, and you see that there are one or two civilians that die as collateral damage). Throw in the fact that most of its neighbors were at war with it at one point or another (I realize that the aggressors were often Arab states), and you get the current Arab dislike of Israel.

        September 5, 2011 at 11:55 am |
      • Traveler

        I was traveling through Pakistan just after 9/11. Being American, a lot of people who knew me, wanted to explain themselves. Each and every one of them came up with almost the same conclusion, that Osama Bin Laden is not responsible for 9/11. Common comments made during that trip was, the MOSSAD is responsible for 9/11. That happened to be my last trip to Pakistan, and promised myself, I will never set foot in there again.

        But the problem is, they are as confused as anybody else. They are in denial, and most likely are still in denial. One cannot say, well it may be because they are poor. The amount of money they have spent on violence could have been directed elsewhere.

        The fact of the matter is, the hatred or distrust of the United States among the Muslim world is rooted in the Palestinian conflict. Years of vetoes, and years unyielding loyalty to Israel has cemented this belief. So to tell them that some of their fellow Muslim brethren are responsible for extreme and inhumane violence falls on deaf ears.

        So this "can of worms", has to be dealt with before any other progress can be made with the Muslim world. I believe Israel has it's own legitimate right to exist, and to defend itself. But Americans have protected Israel without regard to human rights or other humane needs Americans want.

        The Muslims on the other hand have never openly condemned any of the violence. This in turn has tarnished their reputation for good. It will take generations for either side to mend fences and fix what has been damaged. Islam will never be a religion of peace until until all the violence it has adopted in recent years is condemned by the majority of Muslims openly.

        Any form of fundamentalism has always been bad news, whether it is Christian, Islam, Hindu or Judaism.

        September 5, 2011 at 1:21 pm |
      • Wzrd1

        Jake, you are the one who is wrong. You make a flat statement and you are utterly unable to back that assertion up with FACTS. Because, you HAVE no facts.
        Daniel also misstates the attacks as DAILY, when it's well established to NOT be a daily attack pattern, such are easily located and eliminated! It's the intermittent attack that is successful and not easily eliminated.
        But then, I have EXPERIENCE in the region, with Arabs in particular, due to nearly 5 years of Persian Gulf region deployment.
        One thing forgotten is the Arab culture, one of incessant warfare between tribes until Islam, when warfare nearly ceased. But, the mindset still remains, "Me against my brother, me and my brother against my cousin, our family and tribe against an intruder." That is not implying a warlike people, but a factual view of any potential defense against intruders, which HAS happened in the past.
        THEN, we can throw the Persians into the mix... Where a convenient scapegoat is available in Israel, a matter that is not a concern of Persians, but persists, as one can blame the scapegoat for nearly anything one screws up. Yet, a nation that has a substantial Jewish community that has been there for several thousand years.

        The funny thing is, many Arab nations have two court systems. One, Sharia, for Muslims. The other, secular, for things not covered in Sharia AND for non-Muslims. The State of Qatar actually sponsored and built a handful of Christian churches for expat workers, to include a Roman Catholic church. They also have a state store system so that non-Muslims (or anyone who lies on the application about religion) can purchase alcohol.

        September 5, 2011 at 1:38 pm |
      • satyromaniac

        to Kar, Rowan, WZRD1 and others –

        thanks for a beautiful mature discussion on this incendiary topic. If only everyone could resolve disagreements without being disagreeable. Read maggots, read – this is what discussion forums are for. Not to spew your inner garbage of hate.

        September 5, 2011 at 1:51 pm |
      • nonterrorist

        If the Arabs in Muslim countries truly identified with, and cared about, and were concerned about the safety and welfare of, the Arabs in Israel, (inappropriately called "Palestinians"), they would allow those that want to, to immigrate into their countries. As it is, they deny them permission to immigrate in order to keep the feud going. So whatever troubles they have, are not the fault of Israel, but the fault of those Arab nations that are using them as pawns in their strategies against Israel.

        September 5, 2011 at 1:59 pm |
      • Daniel Allen

        Hey wizard. It is EVERY single day these rockets are fired into Isreal. Most are small and never hit anything, but i think about if someone was doing the same to my town. I would round em up and gage them to. A country is allowed to defend itself.
        Look up a Show on HGTV about people buying houses in other countries. Try to find the one with these sisters buying a house in Tel Aviv. The show is not at all political, but the fact is, every home has a bomb shelter and every town square has a place to run for shelter when the sirens go off. Its not a paper tiger they're running from. regardless of the hand you think the palistinians were dealt, you cannot allow assault on your people like that.

        September 5, 2011 at 2:29 pm |
      • spinoneone

        Here are a few instructive verses from the Koran. Remember, this is the most holy book in Islam and all are commanded to obey it.

        8:36 The Unbelievers spend their wealth to hinder (man) from the path of Allah, and so will they continue to spend; but in the end they will have (only) regrets and sighs; at length they will be overcome: and the Unbelievers will be gathered together to Hell;-
        Inna allatheena kafaroo yunfiqoonaamwalahum liyasuddoo AAan sabeeli Allahifasayunfiqoonaha thumma takoonu AAalayhim hasratanthumma yughlaboona waallatheena kafaroo ilajahannama yuhsharoona

        8:37 In order that Allah may separate the impure from the pure, put the impure, one on another, heap them together, and cast them into Hell. They will be the ones to have lost.
        Liyameeza Allahu alkhabeetha mina alttayyibiwayajAAala alkhabeetha baAAdahu AAala baAAdinfayarkumahu jameeAAan fayajAAalahu fee jahannama ola-ikahumu alkhasiroona

        8:38 Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them).
        Qul lillatheena kafaroo in yantahooyughfar lahum ma qad salafa wa-in yaAAoodoo faqad madatsunnatu al-awwaleena

        8:39 And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.
        Waqatiloohum hatta latakoona fitnatun wayakoona alddeenu kulluhu lillahifa-ini intahaw fa-inna Allaha bima yaAAmaloona baseerun

        And, for further on how to treat Christian, Jews, and all other infidels, please read here:


        September 5, 2011 at 3:14 pm |
      • kar

        That's not a call to murder; I'd put it in the same category as Christians' belief that salvation can only be attained through accepting Jesus. The Bible is no more calling for the murder of nonbelievers than is the Quran.

        September 5, 2011 at 4:03 pm |
      • Ender93

        I've always hated the argument that Muslims don't condemn the violence.


        Read up on some good old Muslim condemnation. It's never as well publicized as the violence and the idiots spoutting hate. I know some of the links don't work, but that's what happens over time when news websites change links. Sorry for that, but there's plenty of working links.

        September 5, 2011 at 6:42 pm |
      • Larry L

        I lived a year in the Sinai as a part of the Multi-national Force and Observers. I tried to understand not only the plight of Israel and the Palestinians, but resolve in my mind the differences between the three main religions in conflict in the region. I left with little respect for the Arab (not Muslim) cluture, the Jewish claim to the region, and all three of the religions. They all seem to be causing chaos across the globe and each religion appears determined to eliminate the others. All have a holy book they claim to be the "words of God" yet all of the books were written by men with an agenda and constantly revised by new groups of people with new agendas. I might point out that the true victims are those of us who have no favorite mythology yet suffer the evangelical efforts and the resulting bloodshed from these three religions. I'd prefer you simply allow people to choose whatever religion they want including the choice of no religion. Let your own special gods sort it out later.

        September 5, 2011 at 7:47 pm |
      • Vorps

        Spinoneone, you're taking anecdotal and out-of-context text and using it to justify your own perspective. That's wrong, because I could do the same with ANY other book and spin it to fix ANY given viewpoint.

        September 5, 2011 at 8:05 pm |
      • truthbe known

        Your statement "Israelis are always killing INNOCENT Palestinians" is not truthful. The IDF goes out of its way to avoid civilian casualties. It is the cowardly acts of H amas and I slamic Ji had who launch missiles and rockets and mortars against Israeli civilian targets without regard for the fact the targets are civilians. The IDF responds, but always tries to not hit civilians, just hit the t errorists themselves. The IDF has in many cases dropped leaflets on the ground to warn civilians to clear an area BEFORE it is to be bombed. Israel cannot help it if those who carry out attacks against its citizens then go and hide among their own women and children as a shield against retaliation.

        September 5, 2011 at 9:19 pm |
      • TCP

        Then come fight with us to eradicate this "small subset"...

        September 6, 2011 at 6:10 am |
      • Art

        Vorps....Spinoneone, did not take those verses out of context. They are stand alone verses. If you still insist that they ARE out of context, would you kindly put them into context for us?

        September 6, 2011 at 10:17 am |
      • Paul

        @Traveler "The fact of the matter is, the hatred or distrust of the United States among the Muslim world is rooted in the Palestinian conflict."

        That is utter horse crap. Muslims have been maiming and murdering anyone and everyone they're come in contact since the day they first appeared on the scene, their body count was in the hundreds of million nearly a millenia and half before the United States or the state of Israel even existed and stands as indisputable fact and evidence to the falseness of your claim.

        The so call Palestinian issue is just the handy excuse of the day to rationalize the behavior of people who've engaged in the same actions against EVERYONE they've come into contact with through out their history.

        September 6, 2011 at 11:08 am |
      • ed galbraith


        September 6, 2011 at 11:59 am |
      • Semper Fidelis

        Well, Kar. In UK the ordinary, everyday Muslim communities were out in force on 9/11 on the streets of London and other major cities. Cheering, dancing and letting off fireworks.
        They had huge posters of the planes hitting the twin towers in every street. It was disgusting.

        September 7, 2011 at 12:53 am |
    • rowan

      i know how i feel about muslims and about islam. i think that those that attacked us on 9-11, those that continue to terrorize not only the u.s. but other countries and people of their own faith, are fanatics extremests. they do not represent the whole of islam. they are what snake handlers, and the end of the world cults are to christians. people tend to forget that every aith has these people who make the whole of the religion look bad. i do not hate muslims nor do i fear islam. i feel as long as their faith does not preach fear, death and slavery to all those who do not embrace islam, they are just like any other faith in america. and should be treated as such.as long as they realize as the christians have come to realize, they can not force their faith on anyone else. i still feel pain at the thought of 9-11 and islamic people were in that building too. there jihadists do not care who they kill or who they sacrifice. as for us being in islamic countries. i would ask that muslim people remember, we who live here in america have very little say as to where our troops end up, just as you have very little say in your country. in the end islamic christian jewish buddists and all other religions are made of of normal people with little say so who are just trying to live a life in their country the best we can. not all islamics are the same, not all americans are the same either.

      September 5, 2011 at 10:47 am | Reply
      • flyingram

        Rowan –

        There is a world of differnce between garden variety fringe religious groups and those who have a long track record of blowing up innocent people in nearly every corner of the globe.

        The question remains – why is there no sense of outrage, demonstrations, and complete repudiation of this mass murder from American Muslims?

        September 5, 2011 at 1:19 pm |
      • Wzrd1

        Flyingram, there ARE demonstrations and outraged speeches, but western media doesn't bother covering them at all.
        I've personally been present for some, while I was deployed.
        As for fringe groups, one can think of the Branch Davidians, with their .50 cal machine guns. We can think of abortion clinic bombers. We can think of armed Christian militias who plan for the demise of our government. We can think of the KKK, with THEIR abuse of religion "supporting" their views. Indeed, I was told by one "minister" that being black is the mark of Cain. He apparently forgot about some flood and Cain's children treading water for over a month.

        September 5, 2011 at 1:42 pm |
      • LKJ

        American Muslims have repudiated every single act of violence. But our news conferences and essays are never reported on the news.

        September 5, 2011 at 1:50 pm |
      • Beall

        What difference does it make why Muslims are mad at America?
        This is sort of like trying to figure out why the backwards fool down the street hates all his neighbors. No matter how innocent his neighbors might be he'll just making excuses and finding other reasons to continue with his hate and hostillty. Why? Probably because, like too many Muslims in too many cultures around the world, he prefers hate which he understands how to do over reasoned thinking which he has no real idea how to do.

        September 5, 2011 at 2:11 pm |
      • Daniel Allen

        Why don't the moderate Moozlums speak out against the radicals you ask? Because they fear being killed as well. you can't even draw a cartoon of Moohamed without riots in the streets as a reaction. Look up the Danish Cartoonist who was killed. His cartoon caused riots around the world. Mooslums killed other Mooslums. Then they killed the cartoonist. I saw more intelligence in the people who worshiped the big ape in the King Kong movies.

        September 5, 2011 at 2:36 pm |
      • Marti

        Wzrd1, the argument about the violence from Christian "fringe" groups is old. In every single instance, those acts are denounced by Christians, and the perpetrators are punished severely. But tell me where in America there are Christian terrorists training camps, and instances in recent history where Christians (not military) have gone into a foreign country and killed 3,000 innocent citizens. The terrorists on the airplanes prayed to Allah and carried through in the name of Islam. I agree that they are only a faction of the religion, but they are a formidable faction and they claim to justify their actions with their religion. Given the size of the Christian religion, there will always be people who perform horrid acts and just happen to have gone to church, thus I supposed you could label them as Christian terrorists. But I would expect you, as a veteran having served our country, to know the difference.

        September 5, 2011 at 3:53 pm |
      • Jeff S

        @flyingram....you are using the limited view media is showing you to support your argument. That's extremely close minded. But that is how America works. Most Americans have no desire to actually learn what is going on in other countries. They just take what they see as happening on the TV as gospel that everyone is acting that way. Its the same for the people in other countries. They only see the bad side of America on TV. Spend some time interacting with Muslims that live here in America. Travel to these countries and live for 6 months. You will see a different side.

        We have Christian fundamentalist groups here? Do you see people standing up and speaking out against them? I do.

        September 6, 2011 at 7:48 am |
      • dz

        the "subset" of extremist moslems is about 7%. 93% are not extreme! Btw, that 7% is about 150 million people.

        September 6, 2011 at 9:01 am |
      • Narthex

        "Given the size of the Christian religion, there will always be people who perform horrid acts and just happen to have gone to church, thus I supposed you could label them as Christian terrorists."

        BTK Killer – just happened to send taunting notes from his church, and terrorized Kansas for decades. A good Christian boy.

        September 6, 2011 at 11:34 am |
      • elise

        I thought that Pres. Obama was going to improve Muslim/American relationships. All the pundits and columnists implied it would happen. He gave the Cairo speech, remember? And now they hate us more than ever. How come no one is talking about this?

        September 6, 2011 at 1:28 pm |
    • Mr. Myxlptlxk

      Absolutely! If there AREN'T any Muslims, there won't BE a Muslim problem...

      September 5, 2011 at 11:10 am | Reply
    • jake

      i will agree with you on one serious point you made. you said" if you ask them (muslims) if killing INNOCENTS is compatible with ilsam, they will say NO. the problem is that non muslims are not innocent it the eyes of their religion" this is something that people of the west are totally ignorant and the liberals and muslims ALL DENY. the so called moderate muslims are against terrorism because most of the victims are muslims. if all of the victims were infidels, no muslims would be speaking out against terrorism.

      September 5, 2011 at 11:24 am | Reply
      • Big Bob

        Moderate Muslims want the same results as the jihadists. They're just not willing to fly planes into buildings for said results.

        September 5, 2011 at 11:49 am |
      • rowan

        ill have to agree with you. but ill also ask a question. now that the "sane" muslims see how little they mean to the fanatics, dont you think they will see fit to make some changes? people do not tolerate someones foot on their neck and totalian rule for long. esp after they have taseted freedom from it.the fact is just as christianity had to change islam
        will be forced to do the same. im not a christian, nor am i islamic. im pagan. we had our wars, we went thru our time of greed.but to me to go to war, to kill in the name of my God and Goddess would be an abomination. the reason? they are the creators. the soul, the divinity, the good part of me was given to me thru them. i could not put blood of an innocent (one who has not tried to harm me) on the hands of my creators..it would be like contaminating my whole faith.

        September 5, 2011 at 12:11 pm |
      • Maxine

        If you read the Koran, you will find that the Koran does not call people who are not Muslims infidels. They call those people "People of the Book". I believe they consider Infidels to be people who have left their Muslim faith – and people who have not faith. Read it and see what you get from it.

        September 5, 2011 at 12:18 pm |
      • Robert

        "People of the Book" refers to Jews and Christians who are treated as 2nd class citizens in Islamic societies.

        September 5, 2011 at 1:04 pm |
      • david

        This is just not true in millions of ways: ) which always brings us to the same starting point; " the lack of knowledge about the other, yet we are so fast to judge and stereotype !!". To give an example, the church of vicinity, among others with Christians, still exist in the wholly land despite the Muslims having control of it for the last 1500 yrs!! And not to mention that Muslims are allowed to marry Christians and Jews (e.g: ex president of Egypt Mubarak! !). So it's none sense to make such a bold claim that muslims believe that non-muslims are all guilty!! Not any more than Christians believing that non-christians are "guilty" for not taking Jesus as their Savior!! Sometime ppl, intentionally or innocently, (mis)quote the quran or takes out of context! Like gentalmen above quoting. ..and kill them (infidels) wherever you find them... Which particularly talks about the time of revealing this verse when the Arabs were fighting! So the "infidels" are 1st, the Arabs, and2nd, the ones that were attacking the early Muslims, and 3rd the ones that broke the truce! And I believe that the media, whichi is in the business of bad news first, is not an adequate source of education! We don't turn on CNN or fox when we get sick,we go see a doctor, andsometimes, a specialist!!!! Well, "learning" about others is no different! !!
        I'm using a tablet so forgive my spelling.

        September 5, 2011 at 2:35 pm |
      • T1Kable


        You clearly are the one who does not know what your talking about. In fact, your a clear example of a westerner applying western values to what they see in the muslem world and completely misinterpreting what they see. In Islamic countries men are allowed to marry non-islamic women, because it is understood that the children inherit the religion of the father. Thus they are following the will of Allah and spreading Islam. This is also why women who marry non-muslims is considered to have betrayed islam by many in the middle east, Because that woman's children will be the fathers religion istead of muslem. I have only seen one exception to this and that is when the Islamic familly involved is very secular, such as what you might find in Turkey.

        September 6, 2011 at 12:17 am |
    • Guest

      Have to assume you're being sarcastic, because it would suck to believe someone was really espousing genocide. That didn't work out so well in WWII btw.

      September 5, 2011 at 11:29 am | Reply
    • CNN Reader

      CNN, please moderate such posts. I realize there may be a tongue-in-cheek element going on here, but most other cultures throughout the world do not understand satire, and this type of post will only serve to inflame members of such cultures.

      September 5, 2011 at 11:39 am | Reply
      • Bobby

        It may hurt your feelings, but in the USA we have freedom of speech. As long as we do not breal US laws, we can say what we want to and quite frankly I don't give a rip about what other cultures do.

        September 5, 2011 at 3:31 pm |
      • LivingLife

        having the freedom to run your mouth and meaningful dialog that leads to change is NOT the same thing. In countries where they DO NOT have freedom of speech the powers that be worry about what you say, where you can say anything you want here because you don't have the power to change anything with your empty words.

        September 5, 2011 at 4:10 pm |
      • Colin in Florida

        I don't know about that. Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr. changed a lot of things with just words and courage.

        September 5, 2011 at 6:54 pm |
      • Scott

        So we should censor speech because some people are too ignorant to understand the concept of satire?

        September 6, 2011 at 12:26 am |
      • happy american

        shut up cnn reader . in this country [ america ] there is such a thing as freedom of speech . it does not say there cannot be any tongue in cheek involved. if other countries do not understand our humor , that is their problem ! you must be a liberal !!

        September 7, 2011 at 10:17 am |
    • lgreen

      You people don't get it. When you are feared you are respected. Who gives a damn if they like us. We were attacked and thousands of innocent Americans were killed. I dont give a damn if they ever like us.

      September 5, 2011 at 11:47 am | Reply
      • rowan

        fear and respect are light yrs apart. im sorry you cant see that. if i fear you, i will obey you, but at the first chance i will eliminate you. if i respect you, i will watch your back. i will listen to you,and i will be the first to be at your side. see the difference? this is why dictators dont last long. nor are they comfortable, even in luxuory.

        September 5, 2011 at 12:19 pm |
      • Robert


        The Islamic world respects power and strength not the weak and powerless. I am sorry you can't see that.

        September 5, 2011 at 1:16 pm |
      • Wzrd1

        A more foolish view is impossible, as it ignores human nature.
        Humans NATURALLY attack what they fear and will keep attacking it until it is destroyed.
        It is no coincidence that the top predators disappear wherever humans have substantial numbers, the humans kill off those apex predators.
        But, we are the good guys, the peaceful and peace loving United States of America, FEAR US FOR WE ARE GOOD.
        Can you be MORE un-American than that?

        September 5, 2011 at 1:46 pm |
      • Daniel Allen

        regardless of your definition is of fear and respect, we need to make it a very painful, expensive proposition for anyone who attacks us. We didn't go into Iraq for weapon of mass destruction, that was just to appease the masses. We went in there because we lost 3000 people on 9/11 and we had to go show strength and power in the region. So why not take out a dictator? After we invaded Iraq, Syria, Lebonon, and Libya among others knew that they could be next, and they backed off in their aggressions toward us. But thanks to the huge number of spineless wimps in this country, the liberals castrated us with all the "Where are all the Bombs?" questions. They made it to where Obama wouldn't invade another country even if it was the best thing to do. We are Impotent til he is out of office.

        September 5, 2011 at 2:52 pm |
      • lsgyrl

        Fear does not bring respect. If I fear you, I'm going to find a way to destroy you.

        September 5, 2011 at 8:16 pm |
      • Chaba

        Why is it that only Americans buy into the notion that (Muslim) terrorists crashed the planeson 9/11? Has any of the commenters ever demolished a building? EOD??? And who killed JFK again? I must ask all you experts one simple question: Who benefited from 9/11 the most? Who benefited when JFK died? Or when any significant person was assassinated? Isn't it easy to prop up a few patsies for all to direct hate towards?

        September 6, 2011 at 12:16 pm |
    • rowan

      cnn reader.... how about this? uh.. no! this is america. this is a place where freedom of speech is a valued thing. so valued that we send our troops to die for it. will i have it taken away because someone may be offended? no. i didnt NOT like the comment made. i found it offencive. very.. but wil i stop that person from saying anything? NO! because when i stop him, someone will stop me. then someone will stop you. and it will go on and on. until that right is forever gone. i may not like what he said, youre not going to like what im posting now. but i didnt like your post either. would i stop any of them?no.. my nation was built on freedoms like these. my armed forces died to allow me you even the one we find offencive have this right. just as i tried to explain with the patriot act. what is done to one can be done to anyone. what right is taken from one is taken from everyone. thats how repression starts. with one.no i wont see my troops die for nothing. nor the citizens being afraid to say whats on their mind.

      September 5, 2011 at 11:57 am | Reply
    • David

      Your correct. After spending trillions of dollars in killing muslims, what has America left with? Huge deficits and a dark future. Welcome to future.

      September 5, 2011 at 12:20 pm | Reply
    • Muhammed Manoj

      I am a partial-Muslim and I can testify. In my Mosque in SF, in an AMERICAN city, about half the congregation in some way condones or agrees with Bin Laden's attack on capitalist America. I am a partial-Muslim because, while muslims are not all terrorists, the Qu'ran is on Al-Queda's side. But Americans need to be aware of radicals like them and stop turning a blind eye in the name of "tolerance".

      September 5, 2011 at 12:46 pm | Reply
      • David

        You are a Hindu and NOT a muslim at all. Koran is NOT on Al-Qaeeda side at all. Stop spreading lies.

        September 5, 2011 at 12:55 pm |
      • John

        Half of them agree with Bin Laden in some way? If you are just "half" Muslim as you say, then why are you attending fringe, extremist splinter group meetings? THERE I NO WAY that even 5% of the Muslims in a typical mosque would EVER agree that killing innocent people is okay. In my mosque, there is not even ONE PERSON who has agreed with al-Qaeda .. the closest thing every said on the subject (which is not the same thing as condoning it) is that "While al-Qaeda's terrorism is unIslamic, America and its puppet states (Israel, Egypt, Jordan, etc) inflict many 9/11's every year on the Islamic world".

        By the way, that is true. 200x more people died in our false war in Iraq than in 9/11, a war based on lies.

        Back to the point, there is no way what you are saying is true. San Francisco muslims will likely be MORE liberal, not less.

        Half agree with al-Qaeda? Not even repeated, scientific, professional statical polling show any numbers like that. You must be lying.

        September 5, 2011 at 1:13 pm |
      • Wzrd1

        A partial-Muslim? Is that like being partially Catholic? Partially pregnant?
        You are a bald faced liar is all that you are, making false claims and false assertions without base in fact.
        Unlike you, I HAVE read the Quran. One end to the other. Every argument Al Qaida uses can be shot down by the remainder of the verse AND with Hadith.
        Sell your goods elsewhere, those who know better will call you a lair every time.

        September 5, 2011 at 1:49 pm |
      • Shell

        Isn't that amazing Muhammed? SF is a pretty liberal city...yet %50 of people in your mosque feel that in some way Osama was justified. These people in your mosque (I'm sure) appreciate the religious freedom (as well as other freedoms) of the US – yet they still have contempt. I don't understand this... I remember talking with a "moderate" Muslim woman (at least that's what she portrayed herself as). She's successful, independent, but wears the hajib to show the world her piety. We had a nice discussion, she denounced killing, loved the US, etc., however when I asked more probing questions, I found out her idea of moderation was not my idea. I found out that "yes", she was against killing because she was incapable of it, however, she wasn't totally against the Osama's in the world killing. Unfortunately this conversation as well as other things I've witnessed leaves me with an unsettling, and disturbing view of Muslims.

        September 5, 2011 at 2:44 pm |
      • david

        Lol partial Muslim! Well you must b the 1st of your kind!! My mom used to tell me,liers always at some point expose themselves!

        September 5, 2011 at 2:52 pm |
      • Daniel Allen

        What is a partial Moozlum? You just want us partially gone?

        September 5, 2011 at 2:53 pm |
      • JJ

        Where did you get that lie? The Quran condemns violence not condones it. And Islam is a religion, not a political movement.

        September 5, 2011 at 2:58 pm |
      • Ram Kumar

        This guy is a Muslim who pretends to have a Hindu name. He understands, most of the people will know the posted information is a lie. He wants the general public to assume that it was a Hindu who posted because of his last name. Manoj is mostly a first name and is not a last name. If for argument sake, if the posted person is a Hindu, I would not assume that he would leave a Hindu name (Manoj ) in the Name.

        September 5, 2011 at 9:25 pm |
      • Tia

        Please, Muhammed, come back and explain how you can be a "partial Muslim". It is anything like being "partially pregnant"? Either you are a Muslim or you are not a Muslim - let us know when you decide to admit that you ARE a Muslim.

        September 6, 2011 at 1:42 am |
      • MeInSac

        What's a partial Muslim?LOL!! Please stop spreading lies. No real Muslim would condone Al Qaida's actions, ever! Quran does not encourage violence nor killing of innocent people. Let's all try to understand each other and coexist. Spread peace not hatred.

        September 6, 2011 at 3:42 am |
    • Whoever

      good fertilizer? In a way you're right – Muslims are fertile people and, since relationships are within marriage, birth control isn't emphasized much either. So it's a matter of time when any way you look, all you'll see would be Muslims. You appear to be white from your tone, so stay tuned, and my descendants will outdo yours in every way, because yours won't even exist (natural selection based on fecundity)

      September 5, 2011 at 1:07 pm | Reply
    • tokyo joe

      America and its bombing of Libya( over 17,000 bombs drooped one for every 350 people) the destruction of the water supply and the electricity grind in Tripoli while killing over 3,000 civilians which they were to protect is a big factor in our relations not only with Muslims but the world in general

      September 5, 2011 at 1:16 pm | Reply
      • Kyle

        Let's face facts JOE. It's the republican agenda. They're after OIL. OIL!!!

        REPUBLICAN AGENDA. THEY ARE GREEDY AND WANT OIL! George Bush is to blame because he's... wait... I forgot, obama has been in office for a while, hasn't he. Sorry!

        September 5, 2011 at 6:23 pm |
      • T1Kable

        You are forgetting that France among other European countries demanded action from the U.S..

        September 6, 2011 at 1:33 am |
      • goglo

        It's so ironic how these so called "Christian" Conservatives fail to practice the core principle of Christianity: LOVE. They are usually the most racist and close-minded of all.

        September 6, 2011 at 5:37 pm |
    • Wzrd1

      That's what Hitler said about Jews.
      Hope that you have the same fate as him.

      September 5, 2011 at 1:21 pm | Reply
    • Alyssa

      Freedom of speech does not mean you can incite genocide.

      September 5, 2011 at 1:24 pm | Reply
    • Sandra Heaven


      September 5, 2011 at 1:29 pm | Reply
    • gingersrule1

      That's exactly right. We will not back down from protecting Israel. Muslims before World War II did not hate Jews. They got along fine. But when the Nazi losers helped to propagate the idea that Jews were blood drinking baby killers it gave uneducated Muslims and losers like Osama Bin Laden the fuel they needed to start this fire of hatred towards Israel. The Muslim hatred of Israel does not come from Palestine and Israel fighting over territory. It comes from Germany in the mid 20th century. The fact that most people don't know that, Muslims and many Americans included, simply shows how idiotic the general public really is. This hatred of Jews has nothing to do with the war of 1967 where Israel was surrounded by armies and air force of many Muslim dominant countries. France thought Israel would lose the upcoming battle and they owed Israel a fleet of fighter jets that they wouldn't deliver because they thought they would lose. I can't stand the French and this is one reason why. Israel had already paid for these jets and France would hold them back in a time of war just so the Muslim dominant countries that wanted to wipe out Israel might get mad at them. So now France always tries to play the integrity card in war times when truly they are as devious as any country about money. France is also still yet to be downgraded to a AA credit rating which will help to tip this "non recession" into a real recession and possibly a depression. One can only hope because America needs some huge changes made and the people won't get out from in front of their TV's until the cable gets shut off. LOL.

      September 5, 2011 at 1:59 pm | Reply
      • Art

        While many Palestinians and Jews were friends before 1948, Jews were hated by many Arabs before then. Consider the Hebron massacre of of Jews in 1929, the 1888 massacre of Jews in Isfahan and Shiraz, Iran, the 1834 pogrom in Safed where raging Muslim mobs killed and grievously wounded hundreds of Jews, and hundreds of other massacres going back over 1000 years in that area.

        September 6, 2011 at 10:33 am |
    • hawaiiduude

      they hate us because we back the terroristic regime called israel

      September 5, 2011 at 2:09 pm | Reply
      • Kyle

        No, they hate us because we aren't all a bunch of hypocritical muslims.

        I really wish they'd ban religion. It's always in the way of peace.

        September 5, 2011 at 6:25 pm |
      • poloman77

        Wrong. Israel is a country surrounded by millions of people who wish to see them dead. They have 100% right to defend themselves.

        September 5, 2011 at 6:42 pm |
      • truthbe known

        If you think Israel is a terrorist regime, I would conclude you got hit on the head by your surfboard too many times.
        Israel is the one true democracy in the entire Middle East, and it is a very reliable US ally. The majority of Americans disagree with you, and stand with Israel.

        September 5, 2011 at 9:29 pm |
      • Art

        Besides the fact that Israel has the right to defend itself against unprovoked attacks, please answer this.. Why was the PLO formed in 1964, 3 years before the 6 day war? Israel never sent troops into Arab countries before that. Please justify the hundreds of terrorist attacks against Israel before 1967. They would target schools and school buses. Please justify that. Gaza is 100% under Palestinian control. Why is Israel still condemned for occupying it?

        September 6, 2011 at 10:38 am |
    • Dave

      It is futile to worry if the Muslim world likes us or not. They hate each other for crying out loud. They still hate the Euros for offenses 900 years ago. Trying to get on their good side is a waste of time. We the USA should always strive to do what is right and let the chips fall where they will.

      September 5, 2011 at 2:13 pm | Reply
    • Beall

      What difference does it make why Muslims are mad at America?
      This is sort of like trying to figure out why the backwards fool down the street hates all his neighbors. No matter how innocent his neighbors might be he'll just making excuses and finding other reasons to continue with his hate and hostillty. Why? Probably because, like too many Muslims in too many cultures around the world, he prefers hate which he understands how to do over open-minded reasoned thinking which he has no real idea how to do.

      September 5, 2011 at 2:16 pm | Reply
      • Kyle


        I know if I was a muslim I'd hate my life too and want to ruin everyone else's. Look at the koran. It's full of hate.

        September 5, 2011 at 6:27 pm |
      • Jeff S

        @Kyle...you have never read the Bible have you? Any religious text speaks out against anyone doing what they do not think is "right." We have preachers here in America spewing hate about gays, or whatever. Don't make it out like the Koran is the only religious text that contains text that could be construed as hate.

        September 6, 2011 at 7:52 am |
      • Art

        Jeff S.. You're comparing apples and oranges. While the bible has violent pasages, they are not taken as literal anymore. Christianity has undergone a renaissance and the age of enlightenment. The Koran is taken literally by hundreds of millions of Muslims. To make my point.. Jesus was a great role model (BTW, I'm neither Christian nor Muslim). He preached love thy enemy and turn the other cheek. Mohammed was a violent warlord. He personally beheaded hundreds of men (mostly POWs) and took women and children as slaves. He is considered the perfect man and is to be emulated by Muslims.

        September 6, 2011 at 10:45 am |
    • meemee

      Regardless of any of the various answers or discussion of this question, the fact is that Islam's aim is to convert the world, one way or another. We must not forget that "Islam" means "submission." That is, submission to "the will of Allah," which was invented by a merchant who specialized in slave trading. Even the moderate demands of Islam are incompatible with Western culture. Islam means to change the culture, not cooperate or "assimilate" in any form. Look for many more "Freedom Rider" type events such as those at the amusement park in New York last week. Moderate Muslims have the example of the well contrived critical theory that the civil rights movement utilized in the 1960s, and they will/are using it to "change America" even further from itself. And all in the name of "Diversity." (See George Orwell).

      September 5, 2011 at 2:26 pm | Reply
      • fifi

        Bravo! Great response.

        September 6, 2011 at 8:49 am |
    • An Observer

      Agreed! Steven Kull's "study" is not very reliable if his lengthy article does not mention the Muslim world's hatred of Jews. America could change its culture so that it resembled Puritanism, but as long as we support the right of the Jewish people to govern their ancestral homeland, Muslims will continue to hate America. I believe that hatred of Jews is the greatest evil this world has known, certainly in the last few centuries. But we liberals have allowed this blatant racism to use the euphemism of "anti-Zionism," and we no longer raise up the moral outrage that is clearly justified. Incidentally, I am a non-evangelical Christian who has read the English version of the Quran.

      September 5, 2011 at 2:55 pm | Reply
      • Chaba

        It's myopic to say that all Muslims hate Jews just as it is politically incorrect to state that there are many self-loathing Jews. After reading the Torah numerous times in Hebrew, it clearly stated that the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) would arrive and that there would be a great nation from the progeny of Ishmael although there would always be a convenant with the offspring of Isaac. I mean, seriously, this hatred between any groups is pure propaganda used to control people AND create financial leverage kind of like the East Coast vs. West Coast rappers. The typical Muslim in America has complete benevolence for all of the People of the Book. Peace simply isn't profitable nor does it sell headlines.

        September 6, 2011 at 12:39 pm |
    • aster

      Yea, and then in the article itself it says that many Muslims have a penchant for conspiracy theories and choose to believe that the US government is behind the attacks in the first place. So basically, when they agree that 9/11 attacks were morally wrong, they are still putting the blame on the US, and not on Al-Qaeda and its supporters, where it belongs. Very twisted but serves to convince some naive Americans that we are on the same page in regards to the basics of morality.

      September 5, 2011 at 2:57 pm | Reply
      • Chaba

        Actually those who openly questioned who was really behind the WTC outside of the U.S. were not Muslims or "partial Muslims" at all. Unfortunately most people seem to make their minds up on the first vitriole spewed the loudest. But again, has anybody worked in demolitions??? I'd love to hear their intellecutal view on implosions.

        September 6, 2011 at 12:59 pm |
    • Okgetthis

      "Only because they started killing lots of Muslims." Why would they do that for? are not they suppose to be untolerateing ,west-hating, kill-them-all Muslims? why would they killing their own brother and sisters and kids? specially in those countries that are under attack by foreign army (Iraq, Afghanistan,Pakistan)? If i tell you human has two legs then if you see somebody with four you should automatically assume this is not human. You can not say this human has four legs. it is not your fault. Fascists and muslim-baby-meat-factory owners (fox,cnn,abc etc.) propaganda to just too strong.

      September 5, 2011 at 3:11 pm | Reply
      • TrueAmerican

        Remember 9/11. Remember the country which sourced the perpetrators of 9/11 massacre – Pakistan based terrorists.
        Many writers have stated that we need not get involved with Pakistan. However we cannot afford not to. Pakistan is the bastion of terrorism that is a constant threat not only to the US but to the rest of the civilized world. We cannot and must not let Pakistan be on its own, until we feel safe. We must however stop giving them any further aids as bribes. We must force ourselves in and take control of the lawless areas under terrorist rule. Moves such as helping the freedom movement in Baluchistan ( a state in Pakistan between Afghanistan & Pakistan and with coastal access to the Arabian Sea) will help us immensely. It will open up our access to Afghanistan from the Arabian Sea and allow us to control the terrorists on both sides of the border.

        September 5, 2011 at 4:54 pm |
      • TrueAmerican

        Remember 9/11. Remember the country which sourced the perpetrators of 9/11 massacre – Pakistan based terrorists.
        We cannot and we will not rest until Pakistan's fangs are removed!

        September 5, 2011 at 4:59 pm |
    • pav2pav

      Muslims are mad at anyone who is not muslim, plain and simple.

      September 5, 2011 at 3:13 pm | Reply
      • Art

        To clarify what you are saying.. If you are not a Muslim, then you are insulting Allah(by not believing in him) and therefore you are to be converted or live as a dhimmi (a second class citizen) or killed.

        September 6, 2011 at 10:52 am |
    • alboze

      You really hit the nail on the head concerning non-muslims.

      September 5, 2011 at 3:15 pm | Reply
    • ric

      God says of Ishmael (Arabs).
      Gen 16:12 "He will be a wild donkey of a man;
      his hand will be against everyone
      and everyone’s hand against him,
      and he will live in hostility
      toward[b] all his brothers.”

      September 5, 2011 at 3:16 pm | Reply
      • Kyle

        Yeah... but most of the bible and the koran are a myth.

        That scripture right there is nothing more than common sense they knew about their kind back then... bunch of angry camel bangers.

        September 5, 2011 at 6:30 pm |
    • TrueAmerican

      Remember 9/11. Remember the country which sourced the perpetrators of 9/11 massacre – Pakistan based terrorists.
      Many writers have stated that we need not get involved with Pakistan. However we cannot afford not to. Pakistan is the bastion of terrorism that is a constant threat not only to the US but to the rest of the civilized world. We cannot and must not let Pakistan be on its own, until we feel safe. We must however stop giving them any further aids as bribes. We must force ourselves in and take control of the lawless areas under terrorist rule. Moves such as helping the freedom movement in Baluchistan ( a state in Pakistan between Afghanistan & Pakistan and with coastal access to the Arabian Sea) will help us immensely. It will open up our access to Afghanistan from the Arabian Sea and allow us to control the terrorists on both sides of the border.

      September 5, 2011 at 4:41 pm | Reply
    • dave

      the problem is deeper then we think. it was on CNN about a month ago that Obama was in talks with the muslim brotherhood . then we have politicians siding with CAIR and the push to build a conquer mosque at the world trade center. the muslim brotherhood is taking control in the recent uprisings in egypt and syria acting as a peaceful alternative . the alqeada has its roots in the brotherhood- here is the problem; the brotherhood's goal is to destroy israel and the u.s.a. do your research about the muslim brotherhood and you will see they are deceptive, acting like a peaceful group but they really deceptive. Just like that USA muslim TV station were they tried to show a tolerant side of islam- the TV station director beheaded his wife (this was in the news about a year ago) . islam teaches Teqeya which means to lie and decieve your enemy to subdue him. so we have extreme muslims and so called moderates, but the question is; since the quaran teaches submission to allah even by jihad, will the moderates obey the Imams when the time comes ?

      September 5, 2011 at 4:42 pm | Reply
      • Dissapointed


        Remember 9/11. Remember the country which sourced the perpetrators of 9/11 massacre – Pakistan based terrorists....

        Amazed to read this comment.... Not a single from amongst the 19 (9/11) hijackers was a Pakistani. Please read about the "Hamburg Cell". They were trained in Afghanistan. Pakistan has lost c. 35,000 innocent lives since 9/11 due to the war on terror. Every other day is like 9/11 for us here in Pakistan. The loss to economy is billions of dollars. Thank you for all the funding, most of which is actually re-imbursement of military expenses incurred fighting the war.

        Majority of people in Pakistan do not hate USA. We have many reasons to love USA. (Al Pacino for one) We do however regret the price we have had to pay for siding with USA repeatedly. (We are no saints either) but an amazing coincidence is that each time USA had a strategic interest in the region the democratic government is toppled and the military dictator receives US blessings ($ in military aid). In 60's the U2 plane shot over USSR took off from Pakistan. Early 70's Pakistan brokered US-China dialogue. In 80's Pakistan became a front line ally of the US in the Afghanistan resistance war against soviet invasion. You already know about Pakistan-US alliance after 9/11. So during each of these events we were the blue eyed ally of the super power who backed a military dictator. (60s Gen Ayub, 70 Gen Yahya, 80s Gen Zia and post 9/11 Gen Musharraf). In the interim period when we were under civilian rule, we were the bad guys. Between Yahya and Zia..."we will make a horrible example of you" -Kissinger. Slammed with Pressler and other amendments (sanctions) as soon as soviet's pulled out of Afghanistan. Hit with US sanctions in the 90's again as we were left with no choice but to conduct nuclear tests after our arch rival cinducted first in May 98. Its so nostalgic to hear once again how evil we (Pakistan) are now that US is contemplating a pull out from Afghanistan. Like I said we are no saints but we are dissapointed that the arrogant super power ignores our regional politics and rather supports our rival. After all the sacrifices since 9/11 Obama announces civil nuclear deal with our rival. Why is extremism spreading in Pakistan? primarily because our economy is not doing well. Like any other Asian economy we can easily exceed a 6%+ GDP growth p.a. but we are criticaly energy deficient. I wish I could not feel bad when I see US assisting our neighbor with what we really need instead of the military aid. If any of you can clap with one hand then I will submit to the notion that only Pakistan is at fault.

        September 6, 2011 at 1:49 am |
    • ig'nant 'mericans

      I am a born and raised U.S. citizen and I am appalled by the majority of comments I have read here. It seems most U.S. citizens commenting here are indeed culturally illiterate and extremely arrogant. We all most definitely need to be culturally aware of others' customs. If George W. had his head screwed on tight, he wouldn't have uttered the stupid "crusade against terrorism" statement. Being culturally aware can make a big difference and it is extremely arrogant to think that individuals should only know about "their own" culture. We live in a "global village" on "spaceship earth" and we have to get along. Open your eyes and minds and learn something, people. Stop embarrassing me and making me apologize for you.

      September 5, 2011 at 5:20 pm | Reply
      • Kyle

        So... how about obama and libya? Want to blame Bush for that too?

        How about screwing your own head on tight and learn a few lessons here... Before Bush Jr. was in office, the WTC was attacked. You know, during the Clinton administration. Then it was attacked again, before the "crusade" comment. Therefore, it's safe to say that Bush Jr. didn't start a "holy war" as you so freely imply.

        People like you are why this country is during into a dump. You think you know what you're talking about, but you really don't. You are obviously uneducated and you are obviously a liberal blissfully pointing the finger at Bush as your kind love to do with the least bit of common sense. I'm so glad I'm not you. I enjoy being intelligent.

        September 5, 2011 at 6:34 pm |
      • Kyle

        By the way, you embarrass yourself. Maybe you should stop acting like you have a bleeding heart for everyone else and learn how to apologize for your own shortcomings, which I'm sure would take a lifetime to list.

        September 5, 2011 at 6:35 pm |
      • reality check

        Is that you, Rodney?

        September 5, 2011 at 6:39 pm |
      • Art

        Actually, Americans are very culturally aware. Other countries are very unaware of other cultures besides their own. Do you actually think that Muslim countries are aware of western cultures? They think that raping western girls (in western countries) who wear mini skirts is OK because in their country it is. Honor killings in western countries is on the rise. Do you consider this to be culturally aware? In Asian countries, their lack of awareness of other cultures is also obvious. How many mosques are there in the U.S.? How many churches and synagogues are there in Muslim countries? No, you have it backwards. Americans are quite culturally aware compared to other countries.

        September 6, 2011 at 11:00 am |
      • goglo

        Art - I'm interested in your cultural competence. What kinds of things do you know about other cultures?

        September 6, 2011 at 5:26 pm |
    • george in texas

      i do not know of any islamic country that gives equal rights to minorities that muslim citizens have. when muslims talk about their rights in usa i am totally amazed.

      September 5, 2011 at 6:06 pm | Reply
      • Derek

        Shouldn't we judg ourselves by the being the best we can be & not compare ourselves to others who have different standards than we do? Why compare USA to countries that have less freedom? Why not strive to make the USA the most free country in the world & that has the highest standard of human rights? Why should we race to the bottom? People immigrate here b/c the US has a lot more freedom & opportunity than other countries & we should be proud of that & not look at as a negative. Let's strive to be a better country & not become complacent for the status quo.

        September 6, 2011 at 10:11 am |
    • john

      You are totally correct, it is written in their quran, they read it 5 times a day or w/e. The fact that they are just blatantly denying that they don't believe in it, but will go on to say that they believe and follow everything the quran says, now that is just a lie. The quran says a lot of stuff about killing and raping women who are not muslim and are of other religions, it allows for several marriages, which muslims completely deny. I am not capitalizing quran or muslim because those words mean nothing, they are worse than the word it.

      September 5, 2011 at 6:49 pm | Reply
    • Kristofer

      F Islam and their fake religion, I could care less if they hate us stand in line you whiny crybabies.

      September 5, 2011 at 6:57 pm | Reply
    • Shayam

      I think the topic must be 'why Americans are still mad at muslms'. We'll let's see There was Naser Abdo, Khalid Aldawsari, Muhammad Hussain, Mohamed Mohamud, Nidal Hasan, Faisal Shahzad, Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, Naveed Haq, Mohammed Reza Taheri-Azar and Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab to name a few. But then, what can you expect from a left leaning CNN.

      September 5, 2011 at 7:23 pm | Reply
    • truthsucks

      i honestly dont think all muslims are terrorists...but muslims in large numbers support terrorism and hate americans and western values...its same wherever they are...asia,africa,europe wherever...how do u know which ones are extremists and which ones are not? ...they know what is going on and still that is not stopping from immigrating to this country...their loyalty is to islam and other muslims only...not to their own country or the country they immigrated to..this might sound like conspiracy but muslims always want to force islam on local cultures...look what is happening in europe...if the local cultures oppose that they turn violent...lastly islam was spread by the sword not by he word...

      September 5, 2011 at 7:23 pm | Reply
    • Shayam

      Hey Chanceofflight......good try with your taqqiya. Do you want some quotes from the Quran? Show me one muslim country where Shariah is the law has equal rights for women.

      September 5, 2011 at 7:28 pm | Reply
      • Chaba

        Can you show me a non-Muslim country that has equal rights for women? Equal pay? Equal access to career development? Equal right to stay home to raise children if wanted?

        September 6, 2011 at 12:48 pm |
    • gmanoo7

      When you denounce the Koran's provisions for killing everyone who doesn't believe as you do, maybe I'll buy you a cappucino

      September 5, 2011 at 7:32 pm | Reply
    • Matt

      According to sources cited on Wikipedia, at least 20 of muslems supported 9/11, although at least 60% of muslems believed "The Jews" did it.

      September 5, 2011 at 7:39 pm | Reply
    • gmanoo7

      Don't they have 7-11's in Mecca?

      September 5, 2011 at 7:39 pm | Reply
    • JIBEE

      very true

      September 5, 2011 at 7:40 pm | Reply
    • Mike

      Of course the Muslims are not in support of the terrorists. But its a two way street. Its not like anybody (except the tea party) supports the war anymore. Everybody wants out of the middle east. The "political leaders" that made these decisions and continue to support them are in our eyes, exactly like Al Qaeda. We don't support them, so to all Muslims, don't stereotype all Americans as trying to oppress your religion, its like us saying all Muslims support Al Qaeda. These "political leaders" with their wrong decisions over and over make Americans as a whole look bad. Thanks Republicans...

      September 5, 2011 at 7:41 pm | Reply
      • truthbe known

        The truth is that most Muslims do support terrorist acts. I don't know from where you get your information that they do not. Recent polls in several Middle Eastern countries show support ratios of between 25% and about 65% for attacks on Israel, Jews, Christians, Hindus, Americans when taken. There is a concept in Islam called tackquia (spelling?) which makes it okay for Muslims to not be truthful with non-Muslims when they are protecting or supporting other Muslims. If you don't believe this, go ask the Coptic Christians in Egypt how well they are being treated these days by the Muslim majority.

        September 5, 2011 at 9:38 pm |
    • Xman

      If the Muslims don't like us, even hate us, then maybe we should just open a Crusades style cleansing, up to date like. Get rid of the fundamentalist among you or you will continue to be the world's most violent and disgusting cult.

      September 5, 2011 at 7:43 pm | Reply
    • flyingram


      Islam is the only major religion in the world that sends its young sons and daughters to blow up innocent people – then dances in the streets, smiling at the CNN cameras to rejoice over mass murder.

      *** Muslims riot over a Danish cartoon, yet en masse – remain silent over world-wide attrocities against non-combatants.

      *** In certain parts of the Muslim world, mutilation of female gentalia is tolerated, beheadings of innocent people is tolerated, women in burkhas are beaten, and seething foaming-at-the-mouth hatred of Jews is taught to young Muslim kids in madrashas.

      Once upon a time, the Muslim world stood at the pinnacle of achievment in mathematics, science, engineering, the arts, etc. No more. The Muslim culture has subjected Muslim people to centuries of decline - to say nothing of killing your own people for not embracing the wahibists' beliefs and practices.

      Don't worry about America, I say to the Muslim world. Worry about dishonoring the Prophet Mohammed and Allah's teachings.

      Don't worry about America, I say to the Muslim world. Worry about the rising tide of fear and restrictions that your presence throughout Europe invites (i.e., the "Islamifcation" of Europe).

      Dont't worry about America, I say to the Muslim world. Worry instead about the beseighed Jewish state that will never stand for being pushed into the sea - as the madman from Tehran as repeatedly threatened.

      Don't worry about America, I say to the Muslim world. Get your own house in order by rejecting the 15th century backwardness and ruthless thugs you have running many Muslim countries. Tunisia, Egypt, Lybia, Yemen and Syria - I hope and pray are only the beginning of working to return a great religion into the 21st century so that you are, in more than word alone, "the religion of peace" (as Bush and Obama have said).

      September 5, 2011 at 7:56 pm | Reply
    • ttang

      I disagree with the tenants of this story. I detest the abominable distortion the free press takes with interpretation of fact.

      September 5, 2011 at 7:56 pm | Reply
    • AN

      And ofcourse Israel does not consider Palestinian as human and kill eveyone (women, children). Making life miserable by occupying land. If Israel just leave the occupied land there will be peace. Or only if America stop its aid then next month there be peace. Israel also knows by population it can not absorb palestinians. Look at the people lives on settlement and Palestinians life outside those settlements. Look both sides.

      September 5, 2011 at 8:03 pm | Reply
    • Ameen

      Because America Supports Israel and Israel does not give Palestinians their state
      I love America and hope that can change

      September 5, 2011 at 8:03 pm | Reply
    • Ray

      WHO CARES!! So the muslim world is mad at us. WHO REALLY CARES? I hope it's a long hate cause the feeling is mutual.

      September 5, 2011 at 8:04 pm | Reply
      • George


        September 7, 2011 at 12:45 pm |
    • Annas still dead

      Troll alert!

      September 5, 2011 at 8:05 pm | Reply
    • Yamaneko

      Sunni islam was the Islam of learning, science, and tolerance that made all the great breakthroughs in the past. Shi'Ite islam has, however, become far more popular and displaced Sunni islam in a large part of the arab (and persian) world – Its popularity can be attributed to it being tailor-made for uneducated, violent people who are social regressives. Shi'Ite islam is actually very similar to the Baptists among American evangelicals, which may explain the animosity between them and Shi'Ite Islam..

      September 5, 2011 at 8:10 pm | Reply
    • jayabdih

      Oh Allah, The Greatest protector of the universe, The One and Only Creator of mandkind, The Creator of Sun and Earth, The Great Manager of the entire universe, The sole Creator of haven and hell fire, continue punishing US for invading Iraq, Afganistan and bombing Libya for you are The Almighty and Creator of the entire universe. The blessed Ramadan is over with billion of muslims all over the world praying for your mercy and protection from being supressed and opressed by the super powers, NATO led by US. Oh Allah, sent your military to US to stop them from bombing muslims countries as well as weaker nations. Show USA and NATO your powerful military, earth quakes, hurricanes, flood, fire and Your might since they are defiant of Your existence and your Power. Destroy these nations and all their agents, spies, informers and individual for helping US and NATO in bombing weaker nations and for turning wealth as their god. Oh Allah, The Great Sustainer of the universe, grant our prayers for you are Al-Mutakabbiruun, Samiiun and Basiirun. Oh Great Helper, help us in getting rid of evil doers for You hear our soft voice prayers asking for your help. Wasallahu 'ala saidina Muhammad, wa'ala aali saidina Muhammad, subhaana robirobika robbil izzati amma yasifuun wa aakhro da'waahum anil hamdulillahi robbil aalamiin. Amiin, Amiin Ya Robbil aalamiin. Recite this prayer 40 x.

      September 5, 2011 at 8:12 pm | Reply
      • Mohammed

        Allah is an infidel!

        September 5, 2011 at 8:44 pm |
    • Chuck Bastian

      Thank you Brian.

      September 5, 2011 at 8:14 pm | Reply
    • conner

      who cares what muslims think?

      Why am I a 'bad guy' or a 'bigot' for adamantly and openly opposing a group of people who's core belief is to subjugate me to their way of life by force or be put to death???

      If you aren't outraged by islamist's stances on enacting sharia law, you are either one of them or not paying attention.

      September 5, 2011 at 8:16 pm | Reply
    • jefe

      Take a deep breath, the world is what it is. The only thing America needs to do is put a stake in the ground. Walk with us or not. If the choice is not, that's ok, just leave us the hell alone or face the consequences. That also means our leaders have to be willing to to walk away from bs fights, ie Afganistan. We don't need everybody and everybody doesn't need us.

      September 5, 2011 at 8:17 pm | Reply
    • USARocks

      LOL...Muslims don't hate jews or christians. I have many muslim friends and they do not hate me.

      They, like myself, do not approve of Israel policy towards arabs. I suggest that you read therecent wikileaks on Israel to get a better prespective. Most jews that live in muslim countries live pretty peacefully.

      In fact Muslims refer to Jews and Christians as 'people of the book' meaning they worship the same god and believe in their holy scriptures and message ie Moses and Jesus.

      Lets stop blaming world hunger on muslims and trying to tag the world against them.

      September 5, 2011 at 8:17 pm | Reply
    • Tom from Canonsburg

      There are plenty of facts supporting that Muslims don't particularly care for Americans. I've been to the Middle East and seen this. But there are plenty of Europeans that don't like us either. Have you ever wondered why? It is becuae we are not even subtle when we tell them that our way is the only way. The fact is that we have no respect for the many hundreds of years that their culture has endured. Check out the CIA involvement in placing Noreiga as a rebel leader in Central America. Is it surprising that some of the nastiest leaders in the middle east were also supported by the CIA & the American oil companies? Do you know anything about Iran-Contra?

      September 5, 2011 at 8:18 pm | Reply
    • Siyajkak

      Actually, innocent means innocent. Muslims see others as deviating from the true path, but not true criminals. To fight their warriors to bring the people into Islam is considered righteous, but to kill the unarmed, the women and children, is a heinous act

      September 5, 2011 at 8:23 pm | Reply
    • Richard

      American has suffered from Muslim hatred ever since they started siding with the Jews (Israel) at every turn. 3 oil crisis, countless wars, trillions of $'s wasted, all for a friendship (U.S. and Israel) that is so one-sided it is a disgrace. One day, some of the American political toadies who have steered the U.S. in this direction will be tried for treason.

      September 5, 2011 at 8:23 pm | Reply
    • Infidel

      This is not the land of Allah. Do not try to change our land with Sharia law to match your backwards religion. This is already going on in England as well as other countries and is failing miserably.

      We feed, they breed.

      September 5, 2011 at 8:23 pm | Reply
    • goparefools

      Really? Pew research? You may as well say "I have no interest in facts." They did a study on who has confidence in Bin Laden? Like he's a politician, or something? What a contrived, useless poll.

      September 5, 2011 at 8:27 pm | Reply
    • Naser Oric

      The problem is not religion, but America's support for Israel and thus far, America's support for oppression/occupation of Muslims in Palestine and Israel. That's the real problem, not religion.

      September 5, 2011 at 8:40 pm | Reply
    • Muslim

      2000 INNOCENT PEOPLE DIED ON 9/11.





      September 5, 2011 at 9:29 pm | Reply
      • sandal free sam

        leave the USA TONIGHT!

        September 5, 2011 at 9:59 pm |
      • Jake Leone

        If the world attacked an more powerful Alien race, killing perhaps several thousand of their kind in their home-world, without first trying to negotiate, what do you think would happen?

        I know we'd get annihilated.

        The world learned the cost of "Total War" is "Total War", in WWII.

        No it's not right, the whole thing, from the first mass attack to the latest is not right. To make it right, we must all be 100% right, God doesn't accept anything less.

        So get yourself 100% right before you start trying to put yourself in place of God.

        September 5, 2011 at 11:54 pm |
      • Questioner of Decider

        Respect is EARNED, not demanded. How can the world respect a code or religion that preaches that respect is to be demanded?
        Jihad is significantly about improving the self. Have you and your people forgotten?
        Salaam alaikum.

        September 6, 2011 at 4:48 am |
      • Big Bob

        Um, what race is Islam again?

        September 6, 2011 at 11:42 am |
    • Sharp

      Absolutely. Peace, justice, mercy; All of these are for Muslims only. Anyone on their s#it list (like Israel) is fair game for torture, terrorism & whatever else they can think up.

      September 5, 2011 at 9:43 pm | Reply
    • Bobbb1357

      Why Muslims are still mad at America. All this "It's not me, it' al Queds." is a ruse, a ploy, the red herring. It is all of islam that wishes to eliminate America and Westerners. The sooner you realize that, the sooner we can end this Jihad thing (by elimiinating them before they eliminate us because that is the only way a Jihad ends).

      September 5, 2011 at 10:18 pm | Reply
    • Jake Leone

      You know the holocaust did occur. And it is also true that Muslims were massacred in Croatia. A couple of hundred thousand people were killed in tribal violence Rwanda.

      It all 3 cases U.S. money and U.S. lives were lost (or at least on the line) to protect civilians.

      You know, mass killing occurs, we should not deny it.

      The leader of Iran is not correct to deny the holocaust, and everyone (who worships God) should call him out on it.

      Bin Laden was behind the 911 massacre, he was an international criminal. The U.S. had no choice but to respond. I am basically a pacifist, but when cornered I will defend, and I remember thinking at the time of 911, we have to fight to defend ourselves because they are attacking us at home.

      The response to many genocidal acts, is often genocidal. But it is important to realize that Bin Laden did not offer any credible negotiation stance, and his methods were themselves "Total War" which can only require a response of "Total War" right back at him. By Al Quaeda's own official statements, killing tens of million of U.S. citizens would be ok, in order to get the U.S. to acquiese to all demands. Meaning, if Bin Laden had nuclear weapons, he would have used them immediately, he would have used them in the mid-90's.

      Recently, in Libya, Colonel Gadaffi said there would be no mercy on the people in Benghazi. Well look what happens when you force people into a corner and give them no other way to respond (because pacifists would be hung along with the perpetrators) you can expect a quick defeat.

      If the Taliban rules Afghanistan (so be it) has been my position and the position of a majority in the United States. I was okay with Afghanistan being 100% muslim territory, and I am still ok with it. As for the first Gulf War, if the people of Kuwait hadn't been on T.V. pleading for help (and they were), I would not have been for the first war.

      As far as I know our guys were only in Kuwait to help out a people under occupation from a hostile nation, and after the war (as before) oil was traded at market price. And Kuwait and Saudi Arabia still have national control over their oil fields, meaning they have always been the ones who decided where the money goes.

      Right now oil sells for an economy killing price, but if the United States or any other nation attempted to cease that oil, it would spark heavy civil unrest in that country (worse than Vietnam) and would cause dozen of other nations to tak arms against that country.

      Oil can sell for 1000$ a barrel (and given the true value of the dollar it may sooner than later), the U.S. and all other nations will simply have to accept that and find a peaceful alternative (because that is the best way to go, and the correct way to go, by any law). And as Christian U.S. citizen, I want it to be that way.

      September 5, 2011 at 11:26 pm | Reply
      • T1Kable

        It is also true that Islam is responsible for the greatest holocaust in human history. It occurred when the Delhi caliphate existed in India and is responsible for the deaths of over 80 million Hindus over the span of a few decades in an attempt to forcefully convert the population to islam. One caliph even ordered that 1000 Hindus be executed every day for an entire year and it was carried out. To this day there are muslems in Pakistan who look upon that act of barbarism with pride.

        September 6, 2011 at 2:00 am |
    • JASON

      You bring up Israel...interesting. US support for Israeli occupation of stolen Palestinian land is probably the biggest reason why Muslims, and a lot of other people, hate us. We are seen as hypocrites in the eyes of the international community, and for good reason.

      September 5, 2011 at 11:49 pm | Reply
    • Amit-Atlanta-USA

      True, Mr. Zakaria is smart, intelligent, and knowledgeable but NOT the least naive or even a liberal in the general sense. Liberals like Anderson Cooper, Wolf Blitzer, Tom Freidmann etc. generally fight for freedoms for all peoples, especially the minorities even at the cost of being insensitive to the majority as well as all other minorities (e.g. 9/11 controversy). At best these liberals are naive and a have a totally unrealistic & skewed view of the world.

      On the contrary my former countryman Mr. Fareed Zakaria is a Muslim, and like the VAST MAJORITY of Muslims in the world he hates America, Israel and the entire free world, and believes that the entire non-Muslim world is ganged up against Islam. He fights for almost every Muslim cause in the world be it Palestine, Chechnya, Kashmir, Kosovo, Bosnia etc, and also just as his ilk all over the world NEVER EVER FAILS to connect Muslim discontent (incl. American Muslims) with every other real & perceived inequality against Muslims anywhere in the world, e.g. Burka ban in France, Minaret ban in Switzerland, opposition to GZ VICTORY Mosque, enhanced interrogation of terrorists, security checks at a/ps etc. etc. He has FAMOUSLY SAID several times that EVEN AL-QAEDA’s hatredness for America is due to our policies!

      September 5, 2011 at 11:54 pm | Reply
      • Frankly Speaking..

        What happened man ? You seem to be upset about something. Did the dowry not suffice your needs ? Its alright, take a pill I am sure there is another way out, like a 7 eleven or a gas station.

        September 6, 2011 at 8:00 am |
    • Perplexed

      Five years of studying and this is what he came up with? I certainly don't have his expertise but I would consider how the West has always interfered in the ME even before it was carved up by the Sykes-Picot agreement between the UK and France. How the state of Kuwait was created just to steal an oil lease. How tha Palestinians were kicked out of their country by the Balfour agreement. Does anyone really wonder why the Muslims don't trust the West? As a Western American, I am apalled by the US blind support for Israel regardless of what is fair, just and legal. Of course the US has precedent – the trail of tears. At least the US is consistent in it's oppression in pursuit of national interests. Of course no US politician can criticize Israel. It would be political suicide. Want to cut the deficit? In 2010, the US provided Israel almost 6 billion dollars in aid and loan guarantees over the table. Who knows how much under the table? This is why there will never be peace in the ME. Too much risk of lost revenue. Can Israel survive on its own economic merits without US taxpayer money? It is ironic that the British started all this and the US takes the hit.

      September 6, 2011 at 1:17 am | Reply
    • mdamone

      Islam has been waging uninterrupted war against non-Muslim groups for literally thousands of years. "Jihad" has become a major part of their society values. There are 3 types of Muslims: those who kill civilians with terrorism and justify it by their religion (the smallest population); those who openly claim that this is wrong (a small group), and those who say nothing about it. The last group are the largest and most quiet of all. They either indirectly support terrorism, or are too afraid to openly criticize it, or simply don't care. In any case, their silence and lack of outrage over the hijacking of their own religion enables what is going on.
      Survey the major religions of the world. Study those who have moved into the modern century in their own base countries. Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus and others have meshed with modern society. They have embraced capitalism, democracy and human rights. Islam is hundreds of years behind. Sharia law still calls for stoning women, lashing men, cutting off the hands of criminals, and violence towards non-combatants of competing religions. Name the number of major religions on the planet that do not allow women to show more than their eyes in public, not leave home without a male escort, and not drive automobiles or freely attend school. The count comes back as ONE.
      For all the complaining about fundamental Christians, name the last time one strapped a bomb to himself/herself and killed innocent people. Keep looking...we're all waiting.
      Now find a story about a Muslim who has done the same. The press is FILLED with such stories.
      Then grow a set of proverbial testicles and ask why. Is the press just picking on Islam and only printing stories about Muslim extremists? Are they simply ignoring the throngs of Muslim leaders speaking out AGAINST terrorism?
      ONE religion today is producing the overwhelming majority of terrorist criminals throughout the world today. Anyone who says that all Muslims are terrorists is a fool. Anyone who denies that Islam produces believers who are responsible for the most acts of murder justified by religion in our century is a bigger fool.
      Until Islam fixes its OWN problems from within, it has no absolutely no right to claim to be "mad" at anyone...but itself. But as we've seen, if we are waiting for Muslim leadership to hold its own responsible for terrorism and murder, we have a long time to wait.

      September 6, 2011 at 2:56 am | Reply
    • Laila

      .there are Muslims and non Muslims all over the world and within American society who don't approve and agree with American foreign policy and their double standards toward other nations and this is the sole reasons America is hated around the world...they are seen as oil thirsty bully and etc....it has nothing to do with religion.

      September 6, 2011 at 3:00 am | Reply
    • It's so obvious

      It must be said again.

      "At the same time, equally large majorities say that Sharia should be the basis of government, that all laws should be vetted by Islamic scholars to ensure they are consistent with the Koran and that Muslims should not be allowed to convert to another religion."

      And it is this majority whose beliefs are entirely incompatible and irreconcilable with a western secular culture. These are the muslims who are dangerous to a progressive, tolerant, secular, and free state. These tend to be the muslims who play the victim card the most, who protest the most, who call for the destruction of the secular state the most, who hoot and holler when their beliefs are criticized, who support the EXECUTION OF CARTOONISTS AND JOURNALISTS; all the while enjoying the benefits of that same secular, liberal, free state.

      The irony reeks as heavily as a dead animal on a hot highway: That these muslims who hold these beliefs, use the benefits and principles of the free society to destroy that society and replace it with a THEOCRACY.

      September 6, 2011 at 3:53 am | Reply
    • Questioner of Decider

      Is the core assertion of the article's author that Muslims have always hated US? And, that it is not a recent development, therefore Muslims will continue to hate US no matter what???

      It seems it is innocent Americans who have been victimized by the longstanding sentiments behind 9/11, rather than Muslims. Who are the victims when thousands are slaughtered over a perceived insult?.

      September 6, 2011 at 4:37 am | Reply
    • Peedy Oor-ree-on

      Sunni fatwa no. 107166: " Democracy is a man-made system, meaning rule by the people for the people. Thus it is contrary to Islam, because rule is for Allaah, the Most High, the Almighty, and it is not permissible to give legislative rights to any human being, no matter who he is."
      Regarding politics: "The Muslims in a country that is not governed according to Islamic sharee’ah should do their utmost and strive as much as they can to bring about rule according to Islamic sharee’ah, and they should unite in helping the party which is known will rule in accordance with Islamic sharee’ah."
      To be a good Muslim, one must be anti-democracy, ergo anti-American.

      September 6, 2011 at 6:56 am | Reply
    • Frankly Speaking..

      Thank you for conceding your opinion to us as it matters a lot or atleast in your world it does. The "muslim dismay" if you may call it is a moral imperative to the covert operations of American agencies in order maintain enslavement of the world.

      The fallacy of your argument is that you assume muslims are the "bad guys" like the "communists" have been potrayed as filthy barbarians by the American media, politics and capitalist thugs to protect their interests. Maybe you should start reading into facts before dumping so much cynicism in one paragraph.

      As for the "innocent Israeli citizen", israel recognizes every Israeli citizen as a "reserve" and trains them likewise. This makes innocent and israeli oxymorons, just like yourself and information.. Have a good day

      September 6, 2011 at 7:55 am | Reply
    • Lola

      No, they mostly do not support terrorism, they are of peace religion. Only jihad.

      September 6, 2011 at 8:19 am | Reply
    • Mark Jones

      If muslims or anyone else is mad at America, the exit door is open. Please leave.

      September 6, 2011 at 8:29 am | Reply
      • goglo

        The issue would be alleviated if more Americans were respectful and open towards minorities. This country is founded on immigrants.

        September 6, 2011 at 5:48 pm |
    • Mike Pickus

      I don’t see Muslims standing up and saying terrorism is wrong , jihadists are wrong Osama was wrong , we want the Jews to respect us and would like to be friendly to them …Show me that before I should care that Muslims are un happy with America.

      September 6, 2011 at 8:33 am | Reply
      • Frankly Speaking..

        How about you grow up first ?

        September 6, 2011 at 9:10 am |
    • jim

      Thay can all go straight to hell

      September 6, 2011 at 10:18 am | Reply
    • jjque

      I had Muslim co-workers who, when 911 occurred, pointed a finger at me and said, "see what we can do". Prior to 911, some of these same people claimed they were converted "Christians", but quickly converted back to Muslim on 911. They would explain to me that America was stealing their oil. They would also claim that they will never forget the Crusades. I would hear other people in other areas of this country tell me the same story about Muslims exclaiming "see what we can do". But I am told by lawyers that this is just a part of diversity that we have to accept.

      September 6, 2011 at 10:27 am | Reply
    • Havildar

      Yet throughout the last Thousand years (since AD 79) the Jews were protected and given shelter in Muslim/non christian Countries around the than known world.
      9/11 was an act by criminals who happened to be muslims just like the Italian Mafia/IRA happens to be Catholics. The Jewish terror groups eg. J.D.L. & other extreme jewish groups happen to be Jewish.(Other extreme groups like the American Terrorists KKK, "teaparty", etc. happen to be christian). Does that mean all Christians/Catholics/Jews are bad and that their religion is evil???? NO. It is people not religion that kill and commit unspeakable acts in the misguided belief that their religion requires them to do so.

      September 6, 2011 at 10:36 am | Reply
    • HA25

      Right, Brian. The article writer also completely ignores the correlation between those advocating Sharia and a more-or-less strict interpretation with the Koran, with the imperialist nature of Islam itself. The Koran and Hadiths are quite clear that nonbelievers, even those of the book (Christians and Jews) are to be converted or dominated.
      So, it's NOT OK for the West to spread – but it's perfectly OK for Islam to spread including it's control of not only religious life but secular life as well.
      Interview the losers in any struggle and you'll get similar responses and gripes. But frankly, if anything, the west is Too tolerant of Islam and it's clear goals.

      September 6, 2011 at 10:39 am | Reply
    • LoEntropy

      OK everyone, question of the day:
      Please list here all the things that the Muslim religion has done to improve the quality of life of it's adherents:
      1. Ummmmm.....

      September 6, 2011 at 10:47 am | Reply
    • ccastine

      if you believe all muslims hate america and are out to get us, you are no less paranoid than they are. in the U.S., we have small groups of people, mostly this "Christio-American" group of conservatives who are paranoid and angry about muslim presence. i equate it to the KKK. you think they are out to get you, taking away your freedoms and your ideals, but in reality they are just another group of people living as the species human on earth. and on the opposite side you have the EXACT same belief about americans coming from Islamist extremists. two groups of extremists, with moderate sensible people in the middle who's boring opinion of people generally being good and not wanting to kill eachother is overshadowed by the juicier story of all the nut jobs and how much they hate eachother. i dont buy it. my muslim friend and i can get along just fine when we sit down and have a common conversation.

      September 6, 2011 at 10:48 am | Reply
    • Havildar

      Yet for the past 1000 years since AD 79 the Jews were protected in Muslim / non christian Countries of Asia/Africa.
      9/11 was an act by an outlaw band of Criminals not by Islam on the Americans. These criminals just happen to be Muslims. If you were to look at other criminal groups like the Mafia,IRA,JDL,RSS,"Teaparty" etc. whose members are Catholics,Jews, Christians and Hindu's. Does this mean that all Catholics, Jews, Christians, Hindus, follow an evil religion??? No. It is not religion that causes people to commit horrible crimes in the misguided belief that their religion causes/requires them to do so.

      September 6, 2011 at 10:49 am | Reply
    • john

      The Muslim populace should leave our country or be forced to do so. They have no place here. This is a Christian nation; and our culture is more important than theirs...why is it that we do not stand up for our culture? Muslims are not peaceful and will always cause problems...muslims burn Christians.

      September 6, 2011 at 10:59 am | Reply
    • hkhan

      listen there is no reason for a five year study. what Muslims are mad over is the cultural change that is happening over the Muslim world as a direct result of globalization. why they are angry about is the fact that their children are walking around dressed like men. what they angry about is the lack of concern in the younger generation about religion and moral beliefs. Westerners always say that the Muslim world is stuck in the past, but if you listen to what the Creator says in the scriptures you can see that women are of a great value and what do you do with valuables you keep them in a safe place where thieves cannot get it. so if Abraham was going to kill his son because the Creator told him to and we praise Abraham, then why do you attack Muslims for wanting follow what they scriptures say not only the Quran. Is it not rotted in the old scripture that women should be covered to a certain degree. so when you tell the young that they are stuck in the past if they follow God's commandment we have a problem with that. When you try to push a certain image of "current" or "standard" upon us which goes against what God has told us through the Bibles and the Quran we take that as an attack to under mind God's religion. Its not America that we have a problem with, its the corporations whom are pushing their products for profit without any thought as to what consequences it will have on the human race.

      September 6, 2011 at 11:25 am | Reply
    • Mark

      Just wondering why America has all the problems when Christians and Jews are killed often in Muslim countries for their beliefs. We go after terrorist and their supporters we do not target a religion just because. I believe there are many more Muslims living comfortably in America then Christians living comfortable in all Muslim countries put together. Not to mention the treatment of women in oppressive Muslim societies, as a father of 2 daughters I hope the Muslim world and beliefs do not continue to grow.

      September 6, 2011 at 12:01 pm | Reply
    • MalcomX

      The roots of problems are not religion, the roots of problems are power and Money. Nowadays most people inculding some muslims and non muslims use Islam and other religion as weapons and tools to kill inncent people in the name of Islam or other religions. Islam is a beautiful religion. Go to the source and gain knowledge and remove the hatred and never let those people to succeed and win.

      September 6, 2011 at 1:02 pm | Reply
    • Morgan

      I agree with this 100% The definition of innocent varies on who you talk to. They say they are against hurting innocent people but if their daughter strays away from their religion she is not innocent, she deserves to die. This is called an "honor killing"

      September 6, 2011 at 2:10 pm | Reply
    • black eyes

      Hi ...

      It's amazing to me how you see things with only one eye. I don't want to defend anybody here but you can not judge people and you didn't live their experience or what certain things mean to them. So, please don't say this group of people are innocent and the opposite are not..

      September 6, 2011 at 8:05 pm | Reply
    • jas

      so whats your point? jews are innocent? most of them are, except those (zionists) who vow to do the same to muslims in israel and palestine as was done to them in europe. Good article

      September 6, 2011 at 11:03 pm | Reply
    • George

      It seems some of my posts do not measure up to CNN's interpretation of freedom of expression.

      September 7, 2011 at 12:43 pm | Reply
    • TOADNav

      "Now if you ask them is killing innocents compatible with Islam they will of course say no. The problem is that non-Muslims aren't innocent in the eyes of their religion, and especially Jews."

      This is only true for those who hold a distorted view of Islam. I have done more tours in the Middle East than I care to recall dating back to DESERT SHILED and in that time I learned a great deal about Islam and Muslims.

      When Mohamad created (for lack of a better term) Islam he was seeking a return to the true religion of Abraham, the Abraham of the Old Testament and the Torah. He believed that Jews and Christians had strayed too far from God's path as revealed through Abraham's teachings. I can't recall right now if it is in the Qur'an or a Hadith but it talks about "Children of the Book." The bottom line is this, if you believe in the God of Abraham, you are NOT an infadel and should be treated with respect and dignity. Unfortunately, it's not really working out that way.

      September 7, 2011 at 12:58 pm | Reply
    • Chuck

      Islam is not compatible with democracy. Christianity has struggled with democracy itself. Slavery never would have happened without the blind consent of the church. Witness their wholesale mistreatment of generation after generation after generation of gay and lesbian Americans. Americans fell face first into the trap that Al-Quada meticulously created to further turn the tide of Muslims against Christianity. This perceived hatred of other religions works both ways.

      September 7, 2011 at 1:21 pm | Reply
    • Peter Beck

      The same could be said for some radical ultra orthodox Rabbis in the illegal Israeli settlements, Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, and fundamentalist American clergy like "Pastor" John Hagee, founder of his Christians United for Israel. Hatred is hatred, no matter the source.

      September 7, 2011 at 1:31 pm | Reply
    • Ron D

      Regarding the Muslim view that the West seeks to detach Muslims from their faith, is it not a basic tenet of Islam that the duty of every Muslim is to try to establish Sharia throughout the world? (And thus detach the West from Christianity or secularism?) It seems that the Muslims are merely projecting their own beliefs, in reverse, upon the West. It appears to me that the anger of Muslims is based on their not well founded assumptions about the West, not on anything that the West has actually done.

      September 7, 2011 at 6:24 pm | Reply
    • Karel de Grote

      I am a Christian but do understand why Muslims hate America for the biased and dubious roll they play in ME affairs. Basically, America has for 60 years acted as a dishonest broker, they pretend to be a fair unbiased intermediater between Israel and Palestine. Muslims have had enough....they choose to fight back taking their fight for a fair deal to the heartland of the USA. You take an unbiased look and ask, who terrorizes who?

      September 7, 2011 at 8:02 pm | Reply
    • Art

      Ah, but majorities of muslims favor democracy and freedom of religion...and, majorities of muslims think muslims shouldn't be able to convert from the muslim religion.

      Um, what's wrong with this picture? Hint: they believe in freedom of religion...as long as everyone is in their religion. Otherwise, you're in a very different category. In every islamic country, other religions are treated like dirt - presuming they are allowed to exist at all.

      The cult of islam needs to get its head on straight. And if majorities of muslims are angry that the U.S. doesn't support them when they try to dominate any population to weak or stupid to defend itself, tough.

      from the article...

      Overwhelming majorities endorse liberal principles including that the will of the people should be the basis of governance, government leaders should be chosen through free elections and that there should be full freedom of religion.

      At the same time, equally large majorities say that Sharia should be the basis of government, that all laws should be vetted by Islamic scholars to ensure they are consistent with the Koran and that Muslims should not be allowed to convert to another religion.

      September 14, 2011 at 12:26 pm | Reply
    • nadeem

      Muslim hate America, because it has different rule for different people. It believe in democracy, but reject the election of hammas and Islamist inalgeria. there is no election in saudi, uae, jordan, but it has concerned about election in Iran where there is some democracy. In the UN it has veto 41 time in favor of Israel, you it believe in election it should not use veto to abstract the will of world. and respect the World authority. CIA agent killed two ISI officer in lahore it want freedom for his life, like mulmis does not have blood in their vain. It favor mujahedin in Afgan to become supper power, but after its interest fulfill, mujahedin name changed to Terrorist. It has count how many American killed in Iraq and Afganistan, but what about iraqi and Afganis. In their new 2700 people killed in Syrea but there is not count of death in Libya. We believe in Islam which believe that we should follow the instruction of Almighty to gain susses in this life and second life after this world. and all our deed surround on this concept, you have choose this world, don't impose your rules on us.

      October 2, 2011 at 7:11 am | Reply
  2. george thorn

    It seems to me that Islam is a paternal organization. Men being the protectors of their women and their faith. "THEIR women" Power does not relinquish easily. We are pushing equality and the men of Islam aren't buying. This may be a tough road as it seems all men of Islam would rather die than to share power with their women.

    September 5, 2011 at 9:22 am | Reply
    • rowan

      hey george, i hate to be the bearer of bad news but most faiths dont get the equality issue yet either, esp. in the south. islamics as far as i can tell are worse but the women being a less person is still there. it seems that men feel the need to control women on all fronts. i dont understand it. the only religion ive seen where the woman is not only equal but sometimes above a man is in some pagan faiths. where there is a god and a goddess to be worshipped. and needless to say im a pagan. im not above my mate, but he isnt above me either. the decisions are made between us. if one cant be reached then the person with the most experience with the issue makes the final decision.and lets not forget in some asian countries its still tradition for the woman to walk behind the man. as long as there are only gods and no mention of the divine female are in the faith, the situation will not change.

      September 5, 2011 at 10:56 am | Reply
      • nonterrorist

        The Apostle Paul said that in Christ there is no male nor female. That implies equality.

        September 5, 2011 at 2:33 pm |
      • control

        The Hindu religion has both gods and goddesses and let me tell you: there is no such thing as equality between men and women. There is no equality between all kinds of people there. In China, there is no religion by law and there is no equality between men and women. Men want to control women as property all over this planet and religion is just a very popular tool to help achieve that.

        September 5, 2011 at 5:25 pm |
      • Kyle

        Men are controlling due to nature. Let's not forget we aren't above animals. We are animals.

        Religion or not, the control factor would still exist. People would simply make up another mythological god to use as an excuse to be human.

        September 5, 2011 at 6:39 pm |
    • Wzrd1

      Interesting opinion that is not borne out in fact of observation. Consider Turkey, Iraq, Egypt, Iran, all have women in government, women working, women driving even women politicians.
      What you speak of are a small number of Arab nations and some really bizarre African nations.

      September 5, 2011 at 1:51 pm | Reply
    • gingersrule1

      Muslim is a religion and it is no more paternally oriented than Christianity. As a matter of fact they believe in the same God and their religion has the same roots just a different spin.

      September 5, 2011 at 2:02 pm | Reply
      • nonterrorist

        Allah is not the God of Christianity. Allah has no son. The God of Christianity gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him might not perish, but have everlasting life.

        September 5, 2011 at 2:38 pm |
    • meemee

      Who can really blame them when we see the results of female dominate Government in the West? Regardless of the token white males here and there, the West is Feminized. This is the leading reason why it is also broke and crumbling. I don't agree with Islam in general as my other post clearly shows, but you are using an obvious argument that is easily rebutted on many points. Not all traditional wisdom is wrong.

      September 5, 2011 at 2:30 pm | Reply
      • nonterrorist

        We have never had a female President of the US, and our country is drowning in debt - over $45,000 for every citizen, and $.42 of every dollar that the federal government spends is borrowed. You should allow your opinions to be influenced by the facts.

        September 5, 2011 at 2:45 pm |
      • Kyle


        So, is the answer voting for a woman? Last I checked, women are humans as well. Sorry, but gender has nothing to do with debt. That's a horrible argument you're attempting to make. Seriously. If you think you have something magnificent to retort with, let me give you some names to play with:

        Nancy Pelosi
        Michele Bachmann
        Sarah Palin

        Care to make another point?

        Politics makes women grow male genitals. Just look at Bill Clinton's wife.

        September 5, 2011 at 6:45 pm |
    • meemee

      Who can really blame them when we see the results of female dominate Government in the West? Regardless of the token white males here and there, the West is Feminized. This is the leading reason why it is also broke and crumbling. I don't agree with Islam in general as my other post clearly shows, but you are using an obvious argument that is easily rebutted on many points. Not all traditional wisdom is wrong. More subtle thinking is required.

      September 5, 2011 at 2:34 pm | Reply
    • MalcomX

      George Thorn, You are wrong. This is not called islam but just pure culture. Islam gives men and women equal rights. Go to the source and gain knowledge. Shotting people is easy but curing them very difficult.

      September 6, 2011 at 1:08 pm | Reply
  3. Delex.

    Unfortunately, Islam and the west are two parallel lines that are destined never to meet because Islam is too big a phenomenon to be reduced to a bedroom or worship house affair. No apology!!! You guys can go to blazes. Your aspersions cannot change anything. Islam has a distinct way of life. The west may struggle hard to make a demon out of Muslims. It doesn’t really matter if light and darkness remain at loggerhead for eternity.

    September 5, 2011 at 9:44 am | Reply
    • JustMyself

      Not entirely true, unless you want to claim that Muslims are a different species, mentally, than the rest of the world.

      Islam and the west meet exactly when large numbers of muslims, like yourself, abandon their homes, societies and cultures and come over to the west to share in its progress and prosperity and, yes, freedoms.

      People like to have food, a roof on their head, and eventually the latest technologies and the right to choose what they want to do.

      You cannot change it, friend, people like not to have shackles, religious or not. So we will change the definitions embedded in our religions to make it agree with what we want to do.

      Christians do it. Muslims do too (and have *always* done so - contrary to popular belief, Islam was way more flexibile and understanding than Christianity was until relatively recent times, when, for some bizzare reason we've regressed).

      The problems you see are not islam vs. non islam - its just two groups of people getting to integrate. A thousand years ago, Islam ruled supreme both technically and in terms of proposperity and envious Christian terrorists attacked Jerusalem. Now the tables are somewhat turned. History is ever changing.

      September 5, 2011 at 10:00 am | Reply
      • Dennis

        "Islam was way more flexibile and understanding than Christianity was until relatively recent times...."

        In modern-day Turkey (the birthplace of the Christian Church), how many Churches are still there? All but a scant hand-full have been destroyed, or turned into mosques.

        Where's the "understanding" of which you speak?

        September 5, 2011 at 11:23 am |
      • Big Bob

        They come to the west for Dawa and jihad.

        Also, the crusades were a reaction to Islams taking of Jerusalem.

        September 5, 2011 at 11:54 am |
      • Dan Davis

        I think that if you will take the time to search the history books you will find that the Moors from North African coast were busy invading the southern stretches of Europe eventually moving as far north as parts of Poland. The only way to counter this is to go on the offensive. In more recent times, say about 1801, the Moorish Pashas of the Barbary Coast States, an extension of the Ottoman Empire, declared war on American shipping. After Great Brittain, the Muslims are our oldest enemy. However, we have patched relations with Great Brittain, but I doubt if we will ever see a day of peace out of Islam.

        September 5, 2011 at 11:57 am |
    • Brian Stoll

      how profound... not really... why dark and light? that's biases.. how about green and blue

      September 5, 2011 at 10:06 am | Reply
      • nonterrorist

        Light and darkness are apt. Jesus said "I am the light of the world." Muslims reject the light of the world, leaving them in darkness.

        September 5, 2011 at 2:56 pm |
      • Kyle

        Jesus also said he'd return in the same generation as the followers he was preaching to according to the bible. Here we are two thousand years later and people are still thinking he's going to return.


        So much for being the light of the world. Both religions ARE darkness.

        September 5, 2011 at 6:50 pm |
    • rowan

      delex, by all means be distinct way of life. enjoy your faith. just dont hurt others in the name of it. dont expect others to be as you are or be of your faith. that is not your decision. i do not try and force my faith on anyone. nor do i recruit members. it is only when people of a faith decide that others not of their faith need to die or convert, we decide that faith is a threat. and therefor the people of it become a threat. i dont wish to stop you from worshiping your god. but i wil try and stop anone who would kill me and mine for not embracing your faith.

      September 5, 2011 at 1:04 pm | Reply
    • Wzrd1

      Darkness and light. Pure division, no unity, no rationality, no basis in fact.
      I've LIVED in Muslim nations, I even had my wife on an extended visit (read YEARS) to them with me. It was nice, being deployed and back to base, yet living off post. She quite liked it there, once she got used to the call to prayer 5 times per day. She wore western attire when out, though when we went to the souqs, she DID choose to wear an abayah without a veil, that measure of respect for the culture got us best prices. 🙂
      We were guests in many Muslim homes, dining with their entire family, where we played with their children. Something you know very well is NOT done with untrusted strangers.
      Favorite topics of conversation, religion and politics. 🙂
      I've even corrected one young Saudi who was visiting in Qatar on a youtube video that was haram, as an Egyptian slaughtered 19 camels in about as many seconds, hence the animals saw their fellows slaughtered, a haram practice.
      HIS friend considered, then spoke the verse I referred to. His friend apologized to me.
      I told him, he owed me no apology, as I was not offended, but he should consider WHO he offended during his next prayer.
      We got along quite well. 😀

      September 5, 2011 at 2:00 pm | Reply
      • Kyle

        In English please?

        September 5, 2011 at 6:52 pm |
  4. us1776

    Islam is a very disruptive religion.

    Islam does not integrate well into any existing cultures. From its antiquated dress codes to its disruptive practices it seeks to clash rather than integrate itself.

    And this is why many Americans do not like Islam.

    Americans believe in freedom of religion. They do not believe in religion becoming integrated into government or religion taking over the cultural practices of the secular society. And this goes for both disruptive evangelical Christian faiths as well as for Islam.

    Islam is a religion screaming out for reformation. Something that most Christian religions went through hundreds of years ago in order to make them more compatible with modern secular society. It is time that Islam underwent a reformation so that it can integrate into modern societies.


    September 5, 2011 at 9:58 am | Reply
    • Kar

      You're confusing Islam for a monolithic religion.

      Dress codes: Is the Yarmulke a similar piece of antiquated clothing? The cross that some Christians wear? Your implication is that non-Western fashion elements are antiquated.

      Freedom of religion: the same was said of Mormons, Jews, and Catholics in various Western countries at different times. All have proven themselves willing to integrate. Muslims are no different. Cultural/religious custom should not be thought of as anti-Western; otherwise, most immigrants are anti-Western.

      Islamis(mix of religion gov't): this is where I think Muslims in the Middle East and in the West differ most. I think there's a much higher proportion who are perfectly fine with separation of religion and gov't; biased Western caricatures of Muslims beholden to Shariah above all else have perpetuated that view. Muslims I know (myself included) live perfectly contented under a Western rule of law that affords the right to practice one's faith, among other rights.
      On the note of religion and gov't, I disagree with you that Americans are broadly against it. I see people like Perry and Bachmann (GOP candidates) validate their views on the basis of faith and bemoan the Godlessness of American politics, and I worry that the separation between evangelical Christianity and state is by far a more pressing concern.

      Islamic Reformation: Islam's not monolithic; there are different ideologies in Islam; progressivism, for instance, views religion as a largely public affair. Islamism views "Islam as the answer", as a basis for government. There're Muslim feminists, just as there are fundamentalists. Point being, Islam's not in need of a reformation, because it already has so many competing viewpoints.

      In my opinion, the biggest obstacle to integrating Muslims into the West isn't themselves, but Westerners that can't help but to single Muslims out.

      September 5, 2011 at 11:06 am | Reply
      • Daniel Allen

        Islam is not just a religion it is a whole way of life for these people. Not on my watch

        September 5, 2011 at 12:43 pm |
      • Daniel Allen

        They single themselves out

        September 5, 2011 at 12:43 pm |
      • kar

        Which religion isn't? I take it you're either agnostic or atheist.

        September 5, 2011 at 12:45 pm |
      • Daniel Allen

        Catholics for one. I was raised Catholic, and i don't remember us having to dress a certain way, and we didn't have a separate monitary system. We certainly didn't ask any local government to let us use our own court system to solve issues. We let our women leave the house without a male escort. And we let them drive cars as well. We were told to forgive infidels, not kill them. Any other questions?

        September 5, 2011 at 1:07 pm |
      • rowan

        only when they decide to exterminate anyone not like they are. and follow thru. there in lies the difference and the problem.

        September 5, 2011 at 1:08 pm |
      • Daniel Allen

        some christians do wear crosses. The point is....are they forced to? Muzlum women wear burkas. Are they forced to? No to the first question. Yes to the second? That is the difference

        September 5, 2011 at 1:10 pm |
      • Wzrd1

        Daniel, YOUR WATCH?! WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? You are not the Emperor of this nation. You are a citizen. Interfere with the rights of others, go to prison. I'll laugh at your foolishness.
        We DO have freedom of religion in this nation. It's here to stay. Get over it and yourself.
        My old neighborhood in Philly is now predominately Muslim, complete with long vacant churches being sold and now being mosques.
        There is no conflict there, they're right down the street from a Catholic school and church.
        The ONLY conflict is from pinheads like you who want the first amendment repealed, for that IS what you want.
        Not going to happen on MY watch. A veteran and one who swore an oath to defend our const i tution. I may be retired, but my oath, my word of honor has never had, nor shall it ever have, an expiration date.

        September 5, 2011 at 2:15 pm |
      • nonterrorist

        You overlook the fact that there is one basic fundamental difference between Muslims and all the groups of immigrants before them. All the other groups merely wanted to be left in peace to live their own lives as they saw fit. They had no ambition to conquer the other inhabitants of the areas they immigrated to and force an alien and barbaric belief system on them through deceit and coercion. Catholics and Jews were not a threat to previous residents of an area because they shared the same basic values as Protestants. This is not the case with Muslims. Muslims have no intention of assimilating into our society. They intend to radically change our society in ways that no Catholic, Jew, Protestant, or even unbeliever would be willing to tolerate. Look at what they are already doing in Brooklyn. They congregate in the middle of the street and block traffic five times a day. Non-Muslims have a right to use the streets for their intended purpose of driving from one place to another. Muslims prevent non-Muslims from using the street for its intended purpose by using it for a Mosque. That is just plain wrong. Every last one of them should be arrested and hauled off to jail for blocking the street. We are supposed to be tolerant of complete nonsense on their part, but they have no obligation to abide by the rules of society?

        September 5, 2011 at 3:41 pm |
      • fundamentalist ememies like Daniel Allen

        Daniel Allen: "we LET OUR WOMEN out without a male escort", "we LET OUR WOMEN drive"

        We let? Do Christian males own "their women"? You disgust me and you are just as bad as any Muslim or other terrorist. Daniel Allen and others like him are the enemy. Fundamentalism is the enemy and it doesn't matter which religion it comes from. Stamp out fundamentalism in all its forms.

        Why would you care if Islam is a way of life (and it is) when you carry your Christian ideals everywhere you go? Hypocrite.

        September 5, 2011 at 5:38 pm |
      • Kyle

        Wizard, I too am a veteran. And you know what? I don't want that trash in MY country.

        fundamentalist, you took that WAY out of context. It's easy to offend those with no common sense.

        By saying "we let women drive," he is referring to society in that certain islamic nations do not let their women take part in daily activities, but our society does. I don't feel I need to waste my time explaining this any further to you because you will more than likely become angry and take my words out of context as well.

        You're lucky CNN lets you post comments, being whatever gender it is you are. You're lucky! Oh man, so offended! SooooooOOoooo offended! Hypocrites!

        September 5, 2011 at 6:58 pm |
    • rowan

      islam will intergrate of no longer be a religion. there is no other way. not only from the stand what the rest of the world will not bow down but also because its people will grow tired of being oppressed, having no rights save what their faith seems to give them. all you have to do is look at history. relgions changed and became more tolerant when it came to do or die. islam is fast appoaching that point. i see alot of knnowledge and alot of history in the islamic faith. it would be a shame to lose all of that because a few fanatics were allowed to dictate what is to be because the real islamics sit and do nothing. ive a what if for the fnantics? what if the christians did not become more tolerant and went on killing islamics who did not change religions? so much would have been lost. many faiths who have tried to be in complete control of everything and everyone self destructed. because absolute power corrupts absolutelly.

      September 5, 2011 at 11:08 am | Reply
    • Tom

      Quran (2:191-193) – "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

      I think I have a problem with a religion that wants to kill me, maybe the quote above has something to do with it? I mean if you're fine with a group of people wanting harm to be placed upon you then hey, it's a free country...

      September 5, 2011 at 2:38 pm | Reply
  5. Jimmy

    Your name is apropos because a dog is smarter than you moron. Inside job? Man your stupid. I suppose you believe the world is flat and the moon landings were faked too. Idiot

    September 5, 2011 at 9:58 am | Reply
    • dasdas

      Exactly correct Jimmy

      September 5, 2011 at 10:25 am | Reply
    • P8TRI0T

      Jimmy the only Kool-Aid Drinkers are the one's believing the official Conspiracy Theory. Do some research, particularly involving WTC Building 7 which was NOT hit by planes filled with jet fuel. It still managed to symmetrically and completely collapse into it's own footprint. This was obviously a controlled demolition ( watch the videos of it collapsing ) . It can take months to rig a building that size for demolition but on 9/11/01 it was ready to go....and it did.

      September 5, 2011 at 11:30 am | Reply
      • Jimmy

        Your theory has been de-bunked numerous times by contracted professionals from lots of countries. Just stop already.

        September 5, 2011 at 2:18 pm |
      • sharky

        You seem to be the only Kool-Aid drinker here with the conspiracy theories. Welcome to the internet, people can look things up quite easily.

        September 5, 2011 at 2:25 pm |
      • Shell

        Perhaps you should check out information by the MIT professors and structural engineers that reviewed the towers collapse. There where "clip" like structures that held up each floor. All it took was one side of these clips to fail, then the other side failed, causing the incredibly heavy floor to fall onto the next floor – which took out that floors clips, and then let the pancaking begin...just like dominoes – straight down. The towers were made to resist fire, wind, earthquakes...but that little design flaw did not take into account the floor giving way in the manner that it did. All you conspiracy theorists are idiots. I'm not above thinking the governement (OF ANY NATION) might do things to "stir the pot", but you all are seriously retarded if you think the US governent deliberately wanted to kill the 3k inhabitants. Amazes me how gullible people can be, how malleable their minds are...frightens me a little bit. It just shows how easily someone can be radicalized and influenced where their common sense is totally abandoned.

        September 5, 2011 at 2:59 pm |
      • on_my_soapbox

        I hear McD's put earthworms in thier hamburgers too.

        Try the tinfoil hat next time to keep the radiowaves out.

        September 5, 2011 at 6:18 pm |
    • rowan

      p8 i agree with you. ive never seen a building come down so evenly. even with demolition timers. the say it melted. fine. it did but some part of those floors started buring before others. it got hotter quicker on one side. that being the case, there should have been some tilt at the impact sight. there was none. it came straight down. this is just common sense. if you burn a piece of paper which part of it will become ashes first? the part that was set on fire first. there was no tilt. no slippage. just straight down all the way down. and the heat was not evenly distributed.

      September 5, 2011 at 12:32 pm | Reply
    • Muhammed Manoj

      Amen brother. I'm a converted-muslim and I agree: Muslims are responsible for what the Qu'ran says. Just that Bin Laden was the only one with balls to follow it.

      September 5, 2011 at 12:51 pm | Reply
      • Chuck Henry

        And now he's dead. Thrown over the side of a boat in what I'm sure was an honorable service. However, to your point, he had no balls as he refused to take operational action himself, only sent others to die. I can do that if given the opportunity. And all he, and he Takfieri buddies accomplished was to bring death to thousands of Muslims. And the killing continues daily, but not over here man! The press supresses the body counts so the folks in the US don't even care anymore. You folks really strategically screwed the pooch and bought yourselves a 50-100 year problem.

        September 6, 2011 at 1:41 am |
      • Chuck Henry

        From a country that has made killing you so scandalously depersonalized that you die at the hands of robots. It's not a real deal. No reporters with robots, no films of crying widows. Really no evidence that a person existing at all. Probably not even a body left. Very much like being thrown over the side of a boat when you hoped to be a celebrated martyr. And it gave us the excuse to destabilize the entire region with impunity. Have you noticed that we are everywhere over there and nobody is criticizing us? Nobody at all. Almost surreal isn't it? Again, big big strategic mistake for little tactical gain. What one would normally call "defeat". And once we fully co-opt the Taliban again, our problems in the area will soon be over.

        September 6, 2011 at 1:48 am |
      • Chuck Henry

        And our casualties, while regrettable, are very very low for this length of global operation. Insanely low. And this coming from a country that happily slaughtered 700,000 of it's own people in a Civil War over only 4 years. Again, poor choice of enemy. We have a remarkable capacity for violence as a people. That's not good.....for you. You know I'm right. Everyone is the Muslim world I'm sure realizes this was a huge mistake. We killed entire Indian tribes on flimsier pretexts. I am not proud of this, it's just what we do. And now it appears our government has decided to settle all our old scores, which again, you gave us permission to do. That will have continuity regardless of who is in the White House. I've heard some commentators say that the terrorists have a long view and can outlast us. Well everybody dies, and continuity is a real bit@hkitty to maintain. We however fought the cold war for over 40 years.

        September 6, 2011 at 2:02 am |
    • Sharp

      Who are you addressing? Use the reply button below the post you are answering.

      September 5, 2011 at 9:56 pm | Reply
    • John Toups

      Jimmy, if you're gonna go off calling someone an idiot, make damn sure YOU don't come off as the idiot. You know the difference between your and you're right? Who's the moron now?

      September 6, 2011 at 9:38 am | Reply
  6. larvadog

    Islam's "longstanding historical narrative" is one of conquest and conversion. If by "back away from the Muslim world" Muslims want non-Muslims to leave them unmolested to continue the longstanding historical narrative of conquest and conversion, then they are barking up the wrong tree. I believe in "live and let live", but if it's not reciprocal on your part, then we're going to have a problem.

    September 5, 2011 at 10:01 am | Reply
    • Kar

      True historically, but point out how Muslims in general (beyond Al Qaida and other Jihadis) are actively or rhetorically seeking to conquest and convert the rest of the world.

      September 5, 2011 at 11:09 am | Reply
      • Big Bob

        Look up the Muslim Brotherhood. Now becoming a viable political power in the mideast. Also look up their plans for the US.

        September 5, 2011 at 11:57 am |
      • Southerner

        Well, we could start with Israel. The Muslim world will not accept any peace agreement that includes recognition of the state of Israel to exist.

        Then there are the forced violent convernsions of tribal Africans, and those who refuse are slaughtered viciously.

        September 5, 2011 at 12:01 pm |
      • kar

        Big Bob: I actually know a reasonable amount about them. Starting from their founder, al Banna, their scope has very much been on reinstilling Muslim values in Arab countries; never has it been on actively converting non-Arabs to Islam. As far as Arab non-Muslims, I think their views differ, but consensus seems to be that religious differences have been begrudgingly tolerated, provided no one converts from Islam to something else. Recent trends are worrying. The only instances I can think of is Sayyid Qutb, one-time Muslim Brother, and some other hardliners. But after espousing his view of converting nonbelievers, he became estranged from the organization as a whole. I personally worry about the plans of the Muslim Brotherhood due to the implications of Islamist thought for Egypt, but their goal as an organization isn't whole-world conversion. As far as the Muslim Brotherhood itself, it doesn't speak for the entirety of Islam, nor is it a monolithic organization in itself; there are many competing views. So basically, can you state proof of systemic desire to convert the world?

        Southerner: peace with Israel is a whole different ballgame. The biggest blocks have nothing to do with the desire to convert Israel. To name a few: refusal to name Israel as a Jewish state effectively blocks Palestinian right of return. Arab autocracies lose their largest criticism deflector if Israel and Palestine make peace. Land. Settlers. The degree Palestinian autonomy.
        As for African tribes forced to convert to Islam, it's not systemic. It's a more aggressive version of isolated incidents that can be seen in any religion. The image that comes to mind is a CNN report of a Muslim praying in the U.S. while being pelted with crosses by some radical evangelicals shouting "repent! repent!".

        September 5, 2011 at 12:43 pm |
  7. mejazzbo

    It is becoming clearer every day that the American government is not a true reflection of American citizens any more than governments of moslem countries are true reflections of their citizens.

    September 5, 2011 at 10:05 am | Reply
  8. Teemee

    The Muslims are very selective about their history. Long before the crusades, they invaded Europe. See Charles Martel and the Battle of Tours for details.

    September 5, 2011 at 10:14 am | Reply
  9. LIVEandletLIE

    You all fight because you all are obsessed with religion.

    September 5, 2011 at 10:18 am | Reply
    • skepticoftheskeptics

      people will always find a reason to fight, religion is just a very convenient divider.

      September 5, 2011 at 1:49 pm | Reply
    • Tom

      Quran (2:191-193) – "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

      Quran (2:216) – "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

      They fight because it is a part of their religion, a long history of it as well, this isn't something new or profound with Muslims, it has nothing to do with either sunni or shiite, it's an integrated part of their religion

      September 5, 2011 at 2:49 pm | Reply
      • bakano

        since u don't hav any religion to call your own,you should know that it takes an enlightened man to understand the qur'an.stick to pragmatism,the religion of your fathers.if you know your history books, then you know it takes a lot more.

        September 8, 2011 at 7:40 am |
  10. Charles

    Islam conquered much of the world through violence. It maintains the territory that it controls through violence. It is in essence a violent religion.

    September 5, 2011 at 10:21 am | Reply
    • Thinker

      Unlike, say...Christianity? Don't throw that stone too hard, you might break that glass house you live in.

      September 5, 2011 at 11:19 am | Reply
      • Dan Davis

        Christianity, in it's biblical form, pre-dates Roman Catholicism by nearly 350 years. The Early Church never persecuted or threatened anyone. It was, after all, a Church. When the old Roman Empire began to seriously falter, the emperial leadership knew that they were running on borrowed time and decided to put the Christian Church to "good use" by incorporating it into the gornmental fabric of Europe. Thus, for the very first time in it's history the Church became political. Then the repression and corruption began. In its "pure" form the Christian Church is In fact, PURE.

        September 5, 2011 at 11:38 am |
      • Big Bob

        Seldom did the west war for Christ. Muslims fight exclusivly for Allah!

        September 5, 2011 at 12:00 pm |
      • SouthernCelt

        Mr. Davis might want to re-read his Early World History book. The Church began at Ephesus when Jesus changed Simon's name to Peter and made him the primary Bishop among the Apostles which is now called the Pope. Catholic or Catholicus is a Latin word roughly meaning 'universal', hence the Protestant translation of the Nicene Creed for those churches that want nothing to do with Catholicism. Peter went to Rome to establish The Church there and died there at Vatican Hill. Therefore, The Church has always been in Rome since the first century A.D. and it wasn't necessary to call it Roman Catholic until it had to be distinguished in name from the Orthodox Churches and Protestant churches.
        Jesus created one Church which still exists, men created the rest.

        September 5, 2011 at 12:55 pm |
      • LibsLie

        Islam hates the USA well newsflash do not move here we do not want you........live in your own biggotted hatefilled economic failure of a country no one cares.......just boot Obama so we don't pay for the ingrates to hate us.

        September 5, 2011 at 2:36 pm |
  11. Hockeyn109

    I want to see an article, why the West is mad at the Mooslims.

    September 5, 2011 at 10:23 am | Reply
  12. j. von hettlingen

    The author say Muslims – in general – are mad at America. What's even worse is, when Muslims in America are mad at this country, because of the way they're treated. Except for their religion, many are not much different from the Americans. Yet feeling disenfranchised, they experience an "internal clash of civilizations". They now see America and especially the American foreign policy in the Middle East from a different perspective than before.
    The schism between Muslims and Christians is ancient. The U.S. had supported regimes in the Middle East, which were/are America friendly and secular. The idyll never lasted long, depending on the political cycle. We can never change the mentality of the people there. It's a different religion and culture there.

    September 5, 2011 at 10:24 am | Reply
  13. BT

    . Religion is an excuse to maim and kill until another excuse comes along. Relax have some spareribs and a Mesopotaimian Lite, death is but a prayer awawy. After then you get to live forever!. Huh?

    September 5, 2011 at 10:28 am | Reply
  14. John Zurek

    I agree with the Muslim world that the US has no right to look down on the Middle East as being "backward" and "behind in common evolution of societies". That indeed is unnecessarily condescending. And let's face it – As long as we have homeless people dying in our cities; sick people dying because they could not afford the ridiculous health insurance premiums; or families living in their cars evicted from their homes by scrupulous bankers, we have NO right to look down on ANY foreign nation or society.
    We (the US) should have realized many years ago (right after WWII) that the Middle East has the right to live their lives as they please, without the USA forcing them.
    That, by the way, also is true for our support of Israel: If that country cannot make it in the Middle East on its own, living on land stolen from the Palestinians, the US has no business to keep supporting that fallacy.
    Of course one would say: "but what about the oil". What about it? If the US would have invested all those tens of trillions spent on wars in the Middle East and support for Israel to become independent of foreign oil, we would not be living in a world today that is constantly threatened by Islamic terrorism. And – we would have had a positive trade balance, a much stronger US dollar and a flourishing economy. I have wondered so often why our politicians are so stupid to not see this. Or maybe it IS true – That all those senators are in the pockets of big oil, meaning they are not as stupid as I thought – Taking care of number one instead of the American people.
    If the latter is true, we are doomed. Regardless of what the Middle East thinks of us.

    September 5, 2011 at 10:30 am | Reply
    • Cody

      No matter how condescending it is, it is the truth and they should be made aware of it. When societies still behead people for "sorcery" or refuse to let their women get an education they are in a backwards society. Any society that does not believe in equal rights for all humans and the liberty to do as you wish without harming others is in a backwards society.

      It's ok though, globalization will get them up to speed. Sharia law will never, NEVER dominate the world, as the Muslims wish.

      September 5, 2011 at 11:24 am | Reply
    • nonterrorist

      Stolen from the Palestinians? Where do you think the Jews originally came from? Sweden? King David reigned over Jerusalem for 33 years. King Solomon built a temple in Jerusalem. Each tribe of Israel had its own territory there in ancient times.

      September 5, 2011 at 4:10 pm | Reply
    • truthbe known

      Your study of history is quite lacking when you state that Israel is "living on lands stolen from the Palestinians". Actually Israel was a country and a nation on those lands from 800 BCE until about 70 AD. Israel was conquered by Babylonians, Greeks, and Romans, and others and had its lands stolen by those forces. Israel has every right to the lands between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. There never was a Palestine as a country. It never existed. There are no Palestinian people, only displaced Arabs primarily with roots in Egypt(Yassir Arafat was an Egyptian), Syria, Jordan, Iraq, and Lebanon. The term Palestinians used before the 1960s referred to Jews who lived in the area. The PLO adopted the term in the 1967-68 era when it was heavily involved in terrorist acts such as airplane hijacking, kidnapping, and attacks on civilian targets, including Munich Olympics 1972 and wheel chair bound Americans.
      If you think Israel stole those lands, then you better give up your own house and move away because most certainly, your property was stolen from Native Americans too.

      September 5, 2011 at 9:55 pm | Reply
  15. civitas

    Accept our religion and leave us alone or we will kill you.

    September 5, 2011 at 10:30 am | Reply
  16. Vanilla Gorilla

    There is no real reason to allow the Muslims in America to conduct their lives in a manner that is contrary to the core values of our citizens – the enemy is no longer at the gate – it is inside the walls and intent on destroying us from within.
    Unfortunately they are Muslims first and at best Americans second.
    I say this after trying to inter act with the local Muslim community – there is no interest in becoming part of America – but it is there goal to change America.
    A careful reading of the Koran will not reach any other conclusion – they are not to be trusted period.
    Actions speak louder then words and their actions to date indicate exactly what they are up to ................ when are we as a nation going to realize what we are up against and take the appropriate actions to rid ourselves of Muslims.
    A pit drastic I admit – but we are well past the point of trying to work with them.

    September 5, 2011 at 10:38 am | Reply
    • John Zurek

      I remember a guy who once had the same believes in a country far, far away – His name was Adolf Hitler.
      Those who have no knowledge of history, are doomed to repeat it.

      September 5, 2011 at 10:41 am | Reply
      • nonterrorist

        Wanting to defend oneself from someone who wants to kill you in the name of Allah, and killing Jews for economic gain are not the same thing.

        September 5, 2011 at 4:17 pm |
    • BRBSanDiego

      Spot on concepts. Deport them all. They are all terrorists in their minds. They will smile in your face while stabbing you in the back – both literally and figuratively.

      September 5, 2011 at 11:31 am | Reply
  17. One Love

    MHO- everyone needs to respect the other. Muslims have the right to believe what they would like. Americans also have their right to live as they choose. When respect stops, conflicts start on both sides.

    Chicken and egg though- like watching Israel and Palestinians. Who cause the escalations? Depends who you ask... media skews it as to their flavor of the day.

    We should respect others and let them live the life they choose without resorting to hate and violence.

    September 5, 2011 at 10:41 am | Reply
    • nonterrorist

      Muslims do NOT have the right to believe what they like when what they believe is that they are doing Allah a favor if they kill anyone who refuses to submit to Islam. Their rights end where the rights of the rest of us begin.

      September 5, 2011 at 4:24 pm | Reply
    • Kyle

      Why should I respect islam? It's garbage. So is christianity.

      September 5, 2011 at 7:03 pm | Reply
      • Chomper

        In case all you morons forgot this country was founded on christian principles, not musl1m , not buddhist or hindu and everyone in the world is breaking doors down to get in. The mul1m nations are crap when it comes to freedom and tolerance and they want to bring that hatred and intolerance here via their culture and sharia law. Why should we accomodate something that has utterly failed elsewhere??? Musl1ms consider themselves superior to non-musl1ms and can't stomach the fact that christians are running this world!
        They obviously don't value education 'cause they're breeding like rabbits and they say they cherish their women but won't afford them the same freedoms their men enjoy. Stop making them the victims 'cause they aren't. They've had every opportunity to denounce these radicals, to call and give their condolences to the victims of 9/11 but not a peep. Why? Because they secretly rejoice in our demise. The ONLY thing they respect is STRENGTH and compassion is considered a weakness. So to all you libtards out there speak softly and truthfully but carry a big stick 'cause you need to make your enemies respect you before you can trust them and that respect comes from fear of retaliation. We don't have their respect because of a decade of nansy pansie policies for our troops overseas. Enough is enough and I have the utmost respect for our troops in musl1m lands because trying to stay alive under these b.. S.. policies is an impossible task.
        Same rules for everyone in this country. If you don't like it then then you're not welcome so leave. When everyone has to follow the same rules nobody can complain and everyone knows what is right and what is wrong. Musl1ms want a separate set of rules for themselves and don't want to assimilate into OUR culture but want us to adopt their culture.

        September 5, 2011 at 8:27 pm |
    • Mad gi

      Give me a break! If Muslims do not care about this country and they can go back where they came from. Muslims need to start speaking out about terrorist acts throughout the world. Instead of the USA
      Fighting all Muslim countries should join hands and fight the bad Muslims .
      Muslims are two face. Now you see them them and now you don't. Have we forgotten where the terrorist
      Came from who AT&T he'd us on 9/11?

      September 6, 2011 at 1:02 am | Reply
  18. PJois- Bangalore

    Every religion teaches values and culture towards building good society. I guess, Islam is no exception to it. However, one area Islam diffes greatly with other religion is in the area of interpretation (intentional mis-interpretation) to achive vested interests. What really worries me is the 'SILENCE' form the religious leaders when the religion gets mis-intepreted, Religious leaders in any other religion openly condems the mis-intepretation.... But i have seen this harldy with Muslim clerics. It is very important for a cleric to stand up and clarify the real meaning of KORAN rather than being silent. In my view, SILENCE from clerics is as good as supporting extreme thinking... it's common for a normal person to mis-interpret as they are knowledgeable enough, then it becomes the responsibillity of clerics to bring them back to right track...

    September 5, 2011 at 10:44 am | Reply
  19. Sal

    I do not trust the muslims in the U.S. because their allegiance is to that damn religion of theirs and not to this country! 

    September 5, 2011 at 10:50 am | Reply
  20. Eddy Aguilar Saba

    We all live in a global society, we must be more understanding on how our neighbors feel and think. Yes it is not easy to understand the muslim world, but we can´t make them understand us with violence and weapons.

    September 5, 2011 at 11:07 am | Reply
    • rowan

      by the same token they can not be allowed to " express" themselves with the same. the fanatics want jihad and it seems the christian fanatics are more than happy to give it to them. the problem is on both sides of this fence. this wountry will not sit by and watch another 9-11 and call it an expression of faith.

      September 5, 2011 at 11:34 am | Reply
    • Dan Davis

      Wafflling over a "global society" is how we ended up in this quag-mire to begin with. Forget pacification and global feelings. That kind of bull-blather is killing America. God bless America!

      September 5, 2011 at 11:44 am | Reply
    • Chris

      I do understand the violent, primitive muslims, it's them that need to understand US. We are not in their country. They are in my country.

      September 5, 2011 at 1:41 pm | Reply
    • Grundle

      Multiculturalism was a failure. Next.

      September 5, 2011 at 6:29 pm | Reply
  21. Kailim

    Palestine may be an example of what the British and American did. The folks living on that piece of land for about 1500 years had suddenly become refugees. Because a dead nation of 2000 years ago was reborn with the help of western powers. It was Europeans, the Romans, conquered Isreal, not the Palestinians. Of course, everybody and every nation have the right to survive, Isreal and Palestine inclusive. But Palestinians have no big guns and big mouth, the western powers control advanced arms and media. Americans have made the situation tangled and complicated.
    Look at Iraq. After American's liberation, there are bombs exploding everyday. No American casualty in August is big news.
    American heroes and world police officers, please take a break and contemplate what have you done to the world.
    Steven Kull have written a great article.

    September 5, 2011 at 11:07 am | Reply
    • rowan

      natiion building. it seems america thinks every country wants to live as we do. right now the mexicans are going back to mexico. thats how bad our economy is. 2 % of the people here control 90% of the money. this is where capitolism has gotten us. and not big business controls the government. a recipe for disater. public schools are being closed, teachers can not get a fair wage. there are few factoies left in america to pay decent wages. a college education now does not guarrantee a good job. many end up flipping hamburggers. the middle class is falling into the ranks of the poor. a min wage job can no longer support one person. it still angers me that , during bush's reign, the senate said no min wage raise. they did this for 7 yrs. but for every one of those 7 yrs, they voted themselves a raise. now most of america is expected to live on a wage that is at the least 7 yrs behind. and we the people are allowing this.

      September 5, 2011 at 11:22 am | Reply
      • rowan

        sorry for the typos. the actions of the senate still make me so angry. and nothing has been done about it. not much is said. whats being done to the middle class and the poor isnt right to say the least. ive an 18 yr old son. he graduated this yr. hes a fine young man and im proud of him. i just dont see a future for him right now. he doesnt either. he knows college is a must, but sees where alot of college grads end up.

        September 5, 2011 at 11:27 am |
  22. Dennis

    Just a few more facts are needed here:

    1. Mohammed died in 632AD, and by 750AD, Islam had spread, through conquest, all across Northern Africa, into Asia Minor, and up into Spain, Portugal, and France.

    2. The "Crusades" were launched to RE-CAPTURE lands that were conquered by the Muslims.

    3. The newly-freed United States of America had to build from scratch, a military in order to protect our shipping from Muslim pirates operating out of Tripoli. Before this, Britain protected colonial ships, but once we gained independence, we were on our own.

    Islam imperialistic and xenophobic at the same time.

    September 5, 2011 at 11:09 am | Reply
    • Kar

      Where's the Muslim conquest been in the past 200 years? Also please don't extrapolate *anything* about Islam from the Somali pirates who're not acting out of faith.

      September 5, 2011 at 11:18 am | Reply
      • Dennis

        It's been nowhere, only because the west is better able to protect itself from their sword-wielding militaries.
        In short, we build better weapons.

        September 5, 2011 at 11:30 am |
      • Horatio

        That's a poor question kinda like asking what has "Christianity" invaded in the past 200 years. If Westerners can't use history to justify a particular outlook, then Muslims shouldn't either.

        September 5, 2011 at 11:34 am |
      • Dennis

        How about South Mindanao in the Philippines?
        Muslims arrived there and just planted their flag.

        September 5, 2011 at 11:47 am |
      • kar

        Horatio: No, it isn't. From ~6th-7th Centuries, the Rashidun and Umayyad Caliphates underwent a period of expansion through conquest. This is the Islamic imperialism that Dennis points to correctly. He then goes on to say that Islam is still imperialistic. My response is: name examples of that imperialism. Imperialism usually implies an empire's invasion and annexation of someone else's land, so I'm asking for proof of a monolithic Islam invading and subjugating large swaths of other people's land.

        Dennis: Random obscure references like Mindanao notwithstanding. And you can't imply that Islam is imperialist if it does nothing to act like an empire. Where's its centralized government? Its expansionary tendencies? Its open warfare with surrounding states?

        September 5, 2011 at 12:10 pm |
      • Singralli Seena

        There's still some land grab in the name of Allah going on, be it Kashmir, Kosovo or Chechnya. The Dar-ul-Islam idea has never dwindled, at least in the minds of some Muslims, and we the rest need to be wary of the political Islam, not ordinary Muslims.

        September 5, 2011 at 1:45 pm |
      • kar

        I'd agree; Islam as a political idea can be hugely problematic; I've studied Islamism (Islam as "the answer to everything", including organization of government) a little, and I still don't understand its draw and disagree with its conclusions. However, part of the problem with it is that it doesn't explicitly mandate a specific structure; it leaves room for individuals to structure government to their own specifications, for better or for worse.

        September 5, 2011 at 2:04 pm |
      • Satty

        So you get to have a reset at 200 years and westerner civilization is held accountable fo a 900 year historical narrative perceived by most muslims that justifies there current grievances? How convenient.

        So who are are the infidels that muslims are instructed to kill again exactly? Not the People of the Book was it – just the agnostics, atheists and those muslims that have left the faith? If I'm wrong please instruct me. Is there instruction for muslims to kill those of no faith?

        As an agnostic, explain to me how much tolerance Islam has for those who believe as I do. Muslims want understanding, respect and to be left alone. Would atheists or agnostics be left alone, understood or respected in a muslim dominated land?

        September 5, 2011 at 3:46 pm |
      • kar

        Satty, you took what I said out of context. My point is, Islam isn't an empire. In terms of the "call to kill the unbelievers", that's language bin Laden chose; he doesn't speak for and lead all Muslims. The thing is, Islam isn't monolitihic; it doesn't have one leader or one voice. You're identifying an extremist thought and extrapolating it to an entire community. You wouldn't be killed for being agnostic (exception: Shabab in Somalia, or other extremists). Muslims writ large might not like the concept of agnosticism, but the majority wouldn't force a conversion or kill you for it.

        September 5, 2011 at 4:19 pm |
    • Tom

      Quran (2:191-193) – "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

      This also might have something to do with it...

      September 5, 2011 at 2:40 pm | Reply
      • kar

        As has been mentioned elsewhere, the Quran can be twisted and taken out of context to justify your views. The same can be done with any other religious text. It's how people interpret those texts that makes the real difference. Some (Al Qaida and other Jihadis) have chosen to do what you've done; use Quranic passages to validate murder. The majority of Muslims choose not to interpret those passages as such.

        September 5, 2011 at 8:33 pm |
      • Tom

        Well it is a pretty blunt statement regarding kill others which I personally do not condone, but a large group of people do and that is scary in and of itself

        September 6, 2011 at 1:06 am |
  23. rowan

    so was and sometimes still is christianity. the crusades were a very dark time in the christian faith. as were the witch hunts. this want done solely for religious puposes. it ewas done for control of a population and territory. all in all it seems to be something that all faiths face. they all need to recognize greed and lust for power when they see it. faith should have nothing to do with either.

    September 5, 2011 at 11:12 am | Reply
    • fred

      religion has nothing to do with any of this! it's simply stone age people with stone age beliefs, they have simply not evolved, gorrillas are still gorrillas, monkeys are still monkeys, just a bit more intelligent than radical muslims

      September 5, 2011 at 9:05 pm | Reply
      • fred

        sorta like some black people in this country! jesus, has anyone seen in person or on video the s#$%^$#t they do????? disturbing

        September 5, 2011 at 9:18 pm |
  24. Cody

    If Muslims are going to be mad at America until we accept Sharia law, they will always hate us and their hatred needs a muzzle.

    Put yourselves under Sharia Law if you think it is so great, however, do not harass others that don't follow your illegitimate "law" or you will suffer the consequences.

    September 5, 2011 at 11:12 am | Reply
  25. Kar

    I wish the author would have looked at the difference between Muslims in different regions too, especially where they aren't the majority. Otherwise, enlightening article.

    September 5, 2011 at 11:14 am | Reply
  26. A.siddiqui

    there is a very big problem, most of us don,t want to look at. world should try to solve the problem of israel, and phalstine, I think this is a catalist to whole thing, those who support terrism try to boost it with war of islam, and west logic, In my view west, and America are better friends to muslims than thier currupt,rejims,dactater,and leaders . when there is a disaster any where, even in muslim world america and western world stand very tall in helping victoms,as compare to muslim world.even leadership of those countries steal most of that help, should reach to needy

    September 5, 2011 at 11:16 am | Reply
    • Dennis

      I've "looked at it" already.
      Muslims took land from the Jews, and the Jews took it back with a better army.

      And the muslims don't like it.

      September 5, 2011 at 11:33 am | Reply
  27. Cody

    Sorry Muslims, we don't like people that abuse the brain washed, and never will.

    September 5, 2011 at 11:18 am | Reply
  28. Eddy Aguilar Saba

    How can anyone understand a society with violence and weapons? Neither Americans nor Muslims have made the right steps to undertand and respect each other.

    September 5, 2011 at 11:19 am | Reply
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39

Post a comment


CNN welcomes a lively and courteous discussion as long as you follow the Rules of Conduct set forth in our Terms of Service. Comments are not pre-screened before they post. You agree that anything you post may be used, along with your name and profile picture, in accordance with our Privacy Policy and the license you have granted pursuant to our Terms of Service.