Zakaria: ISIS may be most significant terrorist organization we’ve faced
August 26th, 2014
02:38 AM ET

Zakaria: ISIS may be most significant terrorist organization we’ve faced

CNN speaks with Fareed Zakaria, traveling in Bodrum, Turkey, about recent developments in Iraq. This is an edited version of the transcript.

What do you make of the growing international alarm over the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS)?

The level of concern about ISIS is very deep, and very different from what I heard only a few months ago. There’s a sense that ISIS has become what al Qaeda always wanted to be. Remember, the world al Qaeda means base. Since 2001, al Qaeda really hasn’t had a base. It's been running around in mountains and caves.

ISIS is developing a very large, deep and sophisticated base. It has a financial base, by some estimates making $1 million a day. It has the ability to sell oil and wheat at a bargain. And of course it has this extraordinary military capacity. That military capacity is morphing in the wake of American air strikes. It’s moving from an open ground strategy, taking towns, to a guerilla strategy, hiding within towns. A kind of Hamas strategy. But all in all, if you look at that this, this is the most significant terrorist organization I think we’ve really ever faced. 

It's an alarming thought. You mentioned it has a military base there, but it also has a base of support. It represents something for Sunnis.

That's the core of it in a sense because they’ve been able to take so much land and move within the population. You know Mao Tse Tung of China always said that gorillas swim like fish in the water, meaning that they have to be people, the locals have to be friendly otherwise they're not going to be able to stay there.

What has happened is that ISIS has stepped into the Sunni discontent, the Sunni discontent about being ruled in Syria by Alawites, this minority sect that they regard as heretical. And in Iraq being ruled by Persians, which is how they regard the Shia government of Iraq, even though it isn't actually Persian.

And that reality is in many ways at the heart of it. There’s another piece, which is some of Saddam Hussein's old Baath Party military machine is back. You see some of these characters – the old skeleton of Saddam Hussein's army.

For many Americans, the beheading of James Foley brought ISIS into focus, although U.S. officials, as you mentioned, and others have been concerned about this for some time. Now that the U.S. is considering more military action, is it safe to say that the U.S. is at war with ISIS? And in the region do you find that because of the concern there, that others are willing to join the U.S. in a real fight against ISIS?

I think now I'm beginning to sense that awareness and that willingness. Look at Turkey, for example. In some ways the ISIS problem was fuelled by Turkey. The Turks began their opposition towards the al-Assad government in Syria saying we don't want al-Assad. We’re going to find a moderate opposition. They tried to stand up a moderate opposition, they essentially created the Syrian Free Army. It didn't really go anywhere. These guys weren't great fighters, they weren't able to fight. At that point, the Turks decide out of frustration to just let anyone into Syria. And that strategy of letting anyone in fuelled the worse kinds of people going into Syria and forming and building what is now ISIS.

So everybody now has had a kind of wakeup call. There are many, many debates about what you can do and how you can do it because ISIS is strong enough that air strikes alone are not going to defeat it. Fighting it from Iraq alone probably won't defeat it. The real challenge is what do you do in Syria? You don’t have powerful, capable moderate forces. The only force that is battling ISIS in Syria of any note is, of course, the army of al-Assad, the government of Syria.

And the United States and Turkey are both deadly opposed to it. So that's the strategic conundrum. We don't quite know how to get at ISIS in Syria. Iraq is easier, but they can always move across the border to Syria and recoup and rebuild.

Does this change the strategic calculus for the U.S. and the West when it comes to al-Assad? Is there an odd alliance that results from this where the U.S., the West are fighting against ISIS with them together?

There’s a pedigree of this kind of thing in international relations. When Churchill was asked why Britain aligned itself with communist Soviet Union, he said if Hitler had invaded hell, I would have joined forces with the devil.

The problem here is it's not going to be that easy to align ourselves with al-Assad. Al-Assad is the reason you have the insurgency in the first place. Al-Assad is the reason you have this massive discontent. I think in this case what you have to try to do is get at the roots of ISIS' support, and that is the Sunni discontent. You have to get the Iraqi government to be more inclusive and broaden out and reach out to the Sunnis and frankly start buying or renting the tribes, which is what David Petraeus did when he was general there.

You mentioned how Turkey inadvertently contributed to the ISIS problem by letting the foreign fighters across the border. I wonder about the U.S. role. President Obama has called it a fantasy, in his words, that U.S. military action before this point would have done anything to stop ISIS's rise. Do you think that's fair? Do you think that the U.S. inadvertently contributed by not acting in Syria earlier?

What I'm hearing on the ground here is that there are a lot of people who wish the United States had been more involved. They definitely feel like it would have helped. But they are also very aware of the reality that ISIS is a much more dedicated, much more efficient, much more organized fighting force than any of the other ones around, that perhaps it was inevitable that the most intense forces are going to survive here.

If you look at the ones that are doing well in Syria and have been doing well for two years now, it's groups like ISIS, al-Nusra, these very hard lined religiously oriented forces. The nice liberal democrats or the moderates – they have really have not shown themselves to be able to fight and fight hard anywhere.

Now maybe this could have changed with a modest amount of American support. It seems to me highly unlikely. It seems much more likely that in one of these highly polarized civil war struggles, the extremes went out and the center gets crushed.

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  1. Philip

    US troops suffering trauma are prescribed non FDA approved drugs for treating trauma. Troops committing suicide have one thing in common and it's not guns.
    Suicide kills more US troops than enemies do now. REM sleep disrupting drugs cause suicides.
    http://www.drugawareness.org

    August 27, 2014 at 11:33 pm |
    • Philip

      RIP Robin Williams. They finally got him to try Rx prescription drugs instead of booze.

      August 27, 2014 at 11:39 pm |
      • LaBella

        He struggled with depression for years. Don't use his death as a springboard for your agenda.

        August 27, 2014 at 11:48 pm |
      • Philip

        He suffered trauma at the hands of an abusive father. Grew up depressed, masked his depression with comedy. He medicated himself for all of his life, and not too long after he finally became addicted to SSRI antidepressants that cause suicidal thoughts just as label warnings warn, finally did kill himself.
        This is history. No matter agenda.

        August 27, 2014 at 11:58 pm |
      • LaBella

        And this gives you the right to co-opt his sad life and sad death to further your agenda?

        August 28, 2014 at 12:02 am |
      • Philip

        Agenda? Suicide is the number one killer of troops for the first time in US history, LaBella. My eyebrows raised when I learned this. And was not one bit surprised when I learned that Robin had taken his own life. Not in the least.
        Those who were surprised either didn't really know him, or were only acting surprised for the audience that truly was surprised.

        August 28, 2014 at 6:27 am |
      • Philip

        Oh. You mean like Michael Brown being co-opted. As if I pattern my life after Al Sharpton . That's a stretch. Vivid imagination you have there, LaBella.

        August 28, 2014 at 6:29 am |
      • LaBella

        No, I don't mean that; if I did, I would have said that.

        August 28, 2014 at 10:14 am |
      • Philip

        I am not using the suicides of hundreds of US troops or Robin's suicide to promote an agenda. I am simply pointing out that the one thing they had in common with mass murderers is that they are men (or young men/boys) who became addicted to prescription drugs with labels warning of suicidal thoughts, weight gain, and brain damage.

        August 28, 2014 at 7:25 pm |
  2. Philip

    Good night cruel world.
    Lol. Joey said "Y'all". I pictured him wearing a cowboy hat. And pajamas. Kind of like Barney Fife getting an emergency call and running out of Andy's office forgetting his gun. Like you and I at the OK Corral with BB guns half-drawn. Lol

    August 27, 2014 at 11:45 pm |
    • LaBella

      Don't answer questions asked of you. I see how this is going. Goodnight.

      August 27, 2014 at 11:57 pm |
      • Philip

        My Android...sometimes I can only see the last few comments. Sorry I missed your question. Extra peanuts for Tictac's g/f little le bella. I will tell her you paid for them. 🙂

        August 28, 2014 at 12:01 am |
      • Philip

        10:02. Hate to fall asleep on you but am old and tired. Gn

        August 28, 2014 at 12:03 am |
    • dazzle

      @Philip, the label that goes on SSRIs reads as follows "May cause drowsiness, taking alone or with alcohol may lesson your ability to operate a vehicle, vessel, or other hazardous tasks. Nothing is written that you indicated. Those symptoms may appear but not to the degree that is being claimed.

      August 28, 2014 at 9:48 pm |
      • Philip

        FDA adopted a "black box" label warning indicating that antidepressants may increase the risk of suicidal thinking. A black-box warning is the most serious type of warning in prescription drug labeling.
        Update thyself, @dazzle. Even TV commercials mention suicidal thoughts among common side effects experienced by users of SSRIs.

        August 28, 2014 at 10:08 pm |
      • Philip

        ...other "side effects" (which are really effects) listed for users of SSRI antidepressants include weight gain and brain damage. Explaining Americas nationwide obesity epidemic that began about the time Prozac was unleashed on America, and now even Ivy League students admit to using SSRIs in order to tune-out everything and focus on cramming for exams. Explaining why your average Ivy League grad student cannot pass an 8th grade final exam anymore. (National Adult Literacy Survey stat)
        Even PGA pro golfers use SSRIs to be able to tune-out millions of people watching them on TV...thousands in crowds...in order to focus on one thing only; hitting that little golf ball. Bubba Watson most famous among them.

        August 28, 2014 at 10:16 pm |
      • dazzle

        @Philip I hardly watch television and I assure you that I am on the cutting edge of my profession. No need for a dazzle update. My husband writes prescriptions all the time for his Cardiac patients and he pulled up the database for warning labels that are put on prescriptions.

        August 28, 2014 at 10:17 pm |
      • LaBella

        Dazzle, they are meant for short term therapy, arr they not?

        August 28, 2014 at 10:31 pm |
      • Philip

        Get a clue then. Suicidal thoughts, weight gain, and brain damage are listed side effects.
        At the biggest drug distributor in Colorado Springs...Pikes Peak Mental Health Svcs. now called "Aspen Care", there was a huge sign above the entrance to their huge facility : CAUTION: The medications we prescribe here are for SHORT TERM USE only. Any long term use may cause permanent brain damage."
        It was this stupid sign that was hung 23' above the first set of double doors which prevented my lawsuit against drug money MDs who had been drugging my brother Daniel for several years from being heard by any judge in Colorado.
        SSRIs do IN FACT cause brain damage, weight gain, and suicidal ideations.

        August 28, 2014 at 10:31 pm |
      • dazzle

        @LaBella SSRIs are only prescribed for the short term. Too often doctors ask their patients how is your medication NOT how are you? They should be gone.

        August 28, 2014 at 10:41 pm |
      • LaBella

        Dazzle, I agree the doctors should be gone if they are not caring for their patients properly. So, in your opinion, is it the medication that's the problem, or the level of care?

        August 28, 2014 at 10:47 pm |
      • dazzle

        @LaBella, these medications like most out there need to have additional study on them. In my opinion it is the level of care. We are going to see specialized psychiatry where a psychiatrist specializes in Depression and gives their patients the level of care they deserve.

        August 28, 2014 at 10:55 pm |
  3. Joey Isotta-Fraschini©

    Good morning.
    A cowboy hat? Y'all don't know how far that image would be from my mentality.
    My espresso is good this morning.

    August 28, 2014 at 6:12 am |
    • Philip

      ...and I'm out of coffee. Good morning anyway.

      August 28, 2014 at 6:18 am |
      • Philip

        Dubya Bush wears a cowboy hat, btw. Perhaps there is a link between wearing a cowboy hat and one's own mental state after all. he he

        August 28, 2014 at 6:34 am |
  4. Joey Isotta-Fraschini©

    I welcome the heat that entered this forum last night.
    Our discussions are more likely to produce good results if we speak honestly. My magnificent parakeet, may his soul enjoy the light and Praise Be Upon Him, uttered more original sentences and complex mentation than one usually reads in PC phrases repeated here.

    August 28, 2014 at 6:41 am |
    • Philip

      True, that. Big Media has the largest collection of parrots it seems. And yes, souls. Animals are those. We humans of that species are as well. Even merry old souls that die.

      August 28, 2014 at 6:48 am |
  5. Philip

    Sheesh. My mental image of you wearing a cowboy hat just vaporized. Now there's a towel wrapped around you head. Lol

    August 28, 2014 at 6:51 am |
    • cocoasurfer

      I'm trying to set the aim. The U.S is getting all the heat but catch your breath a minute. Read the speech the IEA gave to Norway on 8/25/2014. All the religious smoke and mirrors are blinding the real purpose of stabilizing IRAQ. Maliki just didn't support the Sunni so now it's a little crazy. BP, Exxon Mobile, and Dutch Shell are already under contract to produce the last of the big sweet oil deposits in IRAQ. The Kurd are also helping out because the fields are not in the south like most of the oil. It's north. The U.S is also supported by China because they also have the largest consumption of oil and have their own big boy going in to contract for their share. It's a five year plan to make IRAQ the second largest producer in the world. By 2035 China will be all but 17% dependent on foreign oil. They will also be the largest consumer. Iraq will be on line to produce over 200,000,000 BpD. I know a religious war is a little more interesting but so is "The game of Thrones". you can almost lay the maps over each other, Conflict and future oil production. America is already shipping oil to china due to low consumption here. Production is high, the highest in the world right now. we're No.1 in production. We have to keep the barrel over a dollar to gain. Low consumption= low cost. Smart people know that Nations are joining together to form a new World order. It is actually a good thing because it will also regulate pollution from oil production. the trenches of war are no different than When Rome took land or when rebel Europeans took the Americas. People died. The difference now is the major players are starting to understand the brutal results of industry on the Earth. It's a cold reality but undeveloped nations will fall by the masses before 2050. Look at the list of countries on the board of the IEA. you will see. It will be a hopeful event, If Iran and Syria will join the IEA, Maybe helping them Ice the ISIL. Will expedite Peace a modernization to all the world. SELL YOUR CAMELS. There no room for this brutal existence anymore. So you see you can't "END the war on terrorism" Be thankful you're on the right soil my brothers and sisters. PEACE.

      August 29, 2014 at 12:53 am |
      • Philip

        Well written, cocoa surfer.
        Iraq is part of The Caspian Basin which holds roughly 60% of earths proven crude oil reserves. The USSR used to supply over half of the world's oil from The Basin until Arab nations with ocean ports took over the crude oil market which caused the Soviet Union to fall from lost oil revenues.
        The USSR was divided up into Russia and several small countries...each with a share of The Basin. However, those thousands of old Soviet oil wells plugged themselves off with paraffin due to lack of use, and none of those small countries could afford to pay Halliburton billions of dollars to fracture and revitalize their old oil wells. Plus at that time there was no market for land locked oil.
        And so 26 members of the ultra wealthy Bin Laden family and several famous men from around the world formed a group of investors and purchased the mineral rights from each of those newly formed countries that were former Soviet States. In 2003, Halliburton began cracking those old oil wells for The Carlyle Group of investors/war profiteers.
        (to be continued)

        August 29, 2014 at 5:51 pm |
      • Philip

        *Fracking,,rather. Actually fraccing, short for fracturing.

        August 29, 2014 at 9:08 pm |
  6. Joey Isotta-Fraschini©

    I have to focus a some work items to be handled today, although it's a day off. Tomorrow is a big work day.
    My agreement regarding SSRIs (and friends) is with the faction that asserts their excess of use. I think that they may help someone move toward the ability to address mental problems.
    I am curious about Philip's opinion of various schools of therapy. In my opinion, the most importation advances were made by Dr. Beck, although the manner in which Cognitive Therapy was brought to New York City was lacking.

    August 28, 2014 at 6:55 am |
    • Joey Isotta-Fraschini©

      MOST IMPORTANT, not "importation."
      StupidPhone! Also Android.

      August 28, 2014 at 7:00 am |
    • Philip

      Yes. The continued NAZI Viral Cancer Research Project (Manhattan 1964-1979) was that; lacking. Lacking enough chimpanzees since that project had consumed so many 10's of thousands of them. Chimpanzees were placed on the threatened species list and so the good doctors put out a call to gay men looking for volunteers to replace chimps as lab rats. Of course, congress stopped funding that "research" project after what we now call AIDS broke out among those men.
      Depressed people are not mentally retarded in any way. They are deeply saddened by wrongdoings being carried out around the world. It are those not depressed and never cry that are the mental cases, Joey.

      August 28, 2014 at 7:07 am |
      • Philip

        For "my take" on SSRIs and Friends, please take 3 minutes and read the first page of this website. Thank you.
        http://www.drugawareness.org

        August 28, 2014 at 7:12 am |
  7. Joey Isotta-Fraschini©

    Now that I'm back in the gym and my shape is returning after health problems that began in 2010, folks are after me to play in public again: for a few years, I've only taught.
    I may. I've always been drawn to the Spanish musical literature, but I usually played that idiom when it appeared as an influence in Impressionism, which it often does.
    I have to decide whether I want to leave my Norma Desmond period or not.

    August 28, 2014 at 7:17 am |
  8. Philip

    I suggest you wear shower shoes at the gym. 🙂

    August 28, 2014 at 7:21 am |
  9. Joey Isotta-Fraschini©

    @ Philip,
    I'm too busy to spar at length this morning, but it's not necessary to 'splain depression to me.
    Aussi, my latest edition of the diagnostic manual was tossed long ago.

    August 28, 2014 at 7:27 am |
    • Philip

      Good. Most think that pills are for depression when all they really do is inhibit tears from forming and trash REM sleep cycles.
      Tears do for the heart what perspiration does for the body. Imagine working out daily at the gym but rarely perspiring...what would happen to your body. Now, your heart after being addicted to SSRIs.
      RIP Robin Williams.

      August 28, 2014 at 7:39 am |
  10. Joey Isotta-Fraschini©

    I'll check back later. It's time to made the donuts.

    August 28, 2014 at 7:34 am |
    • Joey Isotta-Fraschini©

      TYPO:
      "To make...,"

      August 28, 2014 at 7:36 am |
      • Philip

        Well, come prepared next time. I still have a leftover donut from yesterday, for example. he he

        August 28, 2014 at 7:43 am |
  11. Joey Isotta-Fraschini©

    @ Philip:
    I did visit the website of Ann Blake-Tracy's coalition. I did not join.
    I have been somewhat familiar with that position on medication for a long time.
    Reading, I also recalled forming a conversational trio at a NYC party with a man who spoke well for the Blake-Tracy position, and one of Manhattan's most successful psychopharmacologists. Each of those two seemed to disregard the other's opinion.
    The MD was a whole lot richer than the other guest. I think that the party was at somebody's penthouse.
    Moi, I take as little medication for anything as I possibly can.
    Ezxept Bayer aspirin, ho ho ho. Love the taste.

    August 28, 2014 at 10:54 am |
  12. rupert

    I agree with both of u.

    August 28, 2014 at 6:04 pm |
    • Joey Isotta-Fraschini©

      Good evening, @ rupert. It's always nice to see you.
      A tutti: I'll be around most of the evening, with interruptions by a few urgent business calls, and maybe a light supper.

      August 28, 2014 at 6:17 pm |
      • rupert

        light supper? I suggest buttered vegetables, fillet menyon, and two light beers joey.
        Cia

        August 28, 2014 at 7:00 pm |
      • rupert

        For those of u that do not sabe what filot menyon is. It is tender beef with bacon wrapped around it. Delish. When I used to date dazzle, that's all she ever ate. What a slim babe!

        August 28, 2014 at 7:04 pm |
      • Philip

        Rupert? Filet mignon need not have bacon wrapped around it to qualify as filet mignon.
        Besides. It is not wise to combine complicated proteins during meals. By doing so, more energy is needed to digest proteins. Energy that could otherwise be used for things like healing and combatting illness, or scrubbing excess fat.

        August 28, 2014 at 7:34 pm |
      • Joey Isotta-Fraschini©

        @ Philip,
        Yeah yeah, but I seek complexxity of tastes: a series whenever I lift the fork.

        August 28, 2014 at 8:32 pm |
  13. rupert

    I agree with dazzle and chrissy too.
    Maybe banasy. Kinda.

    August 28, 2014 at 6:06 pm |
    • Philip

      So, Rupert. What you are saying is LaBella is banasy? For I see no comments made by s/n 'banasy' here.

      August 28, 2014 at 8:45 pm |
      • LaBella

        🎶But there's one thing I want you to know
        You better look before you leap
        🎶
        Wouldn't want you to pull a muscle.

        August 28, 2014 at 9:18 pm |
      • Philip

        What? @LaRiddler.
        Come out, come out
        Banasy, you person.
        Be brave as the day
        Brave as the gay
        Man of mere football or politic
        That you might once again
        By me made sick.
        🙂

        August 28, 2014 at 9:45 pm |
      • LaBella

        Que?

        August 28, 2014 at 10:02 pm |
      • Philip

        You speak in riddles. A lot. Porque?

        August 28, 2014 at 10:21 pm |
      • LaBella

        You brought up my name in answer to a post that didn't mention my name. You made a leap. Underfreakinstand?

        August 28, 2014 at 10:38 pm |
  14. Joey Isotta-Fraschini©

    Y'all check out my on-brick-walls post in the previous thread, you hear?

    August 28, 2014 at 6:23 pm |
    • rupert

      yes'um joey. I hear ya.

      August 28, 2014 at 6:56 pm |
  15. chri§§y

    Lol @ rupert...filet mignon?

    August 28, 2014 at 7:32 pm |
  16. Philip

    Robin Williams remained alive as long as he was self-medicating. It was after Robin became addicted to mind altering prescription drugs called "anti-depressants" that he ended his life. Rx drugs with labels warning of brain damage, weight gain, and suicidal thoughts. I was not in the least surprised at learning of Robin's death. Only made sad.

    The US military is filled with men who suffered trauma at war and later, PTSD, who are being prescribed the same type of drugs Robin became addicted to. Even though the FDA does not approve those particular drugs for treating trauma victims. Not long after VA doctors began doing this, suicide became the number one killer of troops for the first time in US history.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-military-suicides-exceed-combat-deaths/

    August 28, 2014 at 8:29 pm |
    • Joey Isotta-Fraschini©

      Philip,
      Yes, but the subject is enormously complex. For just one qualification, factor in the absence of any other therapy in the drug treatment of many veterans.
      With many stars like Robin Williams, consider the reluctance of many psychologists, and the reluctance of the stars themselves, to accept the fact that the life of a star cannot be completely "normal," even away from his work. A star is not "just like everybody else," even though he must say that on talk shows.

      August 28, 2014 at 8:50 pm |
      • Philip

        Robin had an abusive father, Joey. Long before Robin became a star. Robin suffered trauma as a child, therefore, and so naturally became depressed. And as is common among depressed children masked his deep sorrow by acting as if he were happy. Even becoming the class clown.
        For all of his life Robin resisted using prescription drugs to deal with his depression which was only made worse by things he did as a man. Terrible things Robin has admitted to doing. Finally, after his self-abuse use of booze and drugs to mask his depression, Robin finally resorted to taking prescription drugs that inhibit REM sleep.
        Many have had nightmares of dying. Or even killing themselves in dreams. The SSRI antidepressants Robin became addicted to are known to inhibit REM sleep. And so rather than dreaming or experiencing nightmares while asleep...daytime walking nightmares are acted out.
        The dramatic way in which Robin ended his life was a dream played over in Robin's life many times. After becoming addicted to SSRIs, Robin acted-out his dream.
        RIP Robin Williams. I hope to be there when he awakens from his sleep.

        August 28, 2014 at 9:39 pm |
      • Joey Isotta-Fraschini©

        Philip,
        When did Robin Williams's father die?
        I buried my extremely abusive father decades ago.
        I think that all abused children should do that.

        August 28, 2014 at 9:55 pm |
      • Philip

        You "think" that, do you. Well, I think that every single Drug Money MD pushing drugs for profit should be thrown into prison. And so does the FBI now that I have been prodding FBI agents for years go investigate greedy prescription writers.
        Google FBI raids doctor office" and see the fruits of my years long labor.

        August 28, 2014 at 10:39 pm |
    • Philip

      Another talking point for Joey is the FDA finally admitting that acetaminophen found in most-all Rx drug store products is responsible for over half of all liver damage. More liver damage than all other things combined including alcohol. And still doctors and nurses believe that booze destroyed that man's liver, not the very drugs they themselves use and prescribe.
      Now, spurred on by this FDA announcement, the makers of Tylenol™ brand acetaminophen are including warning labels on their product. As if no tests had ever been conducted concerning liver damage and acetaminophen use.
      For a fact, it has always been the pills drunkards take to ease that morning feeling after a night of binge drinking that caused their livers to be damaged. Not the booze itself.

      August 28, 2014 at 9:27 pm |
      • LaBella

        What caused liver damage prior to 1953?

        August 28, 2014 at 10:04 pm |
      • Philip

        The first reported case of AIDS was in 1956 Germany, LaBella. NAZI Bayer AG liver damaging drugs weren't made available in the USA until recently declassified (2009) US government operation "Paperclip" smuggled hundreds of NAZI war criminal doctors and scientists into the USA.

        August 28, 2014 at 10:56 pm |
      • LaBella

        What caused liver damage prior to 1953, Philip? Since you are positing that alcohol has no bearing on liver damage, I am asking you what did cause liver damage prior to Tylenol's introduction in 1953.

        I will give you a hint. It starts with al and ends with cohol.
        Your completely dismissing the effects of chronic alcohol use on the liver isn't medically supported.
        Alcohol and drug use affect the liver, however, even without the use of drugs, chronic long term affects of alcohol abuse on the liver is profound.

        So your theory that it was Tylenol alone that damages livers instead of the Tylenol and alcohol is fallicious. Don't take Tylenol if you are that scared. But don't drink a bottle of gin a day and expect your liver to suffer no consequences, either.

        August 28, 2014 at 11:30 pm |
      • Philip

        LaBella. I never said that alcohol abuse has zero bearing on liver damage. I said what the FDA said. That acetaminophen found in most pharmacy products cause more liver damage than all other things that damage livers combined. Over half of all liver damage is caused by acetaminophen.
        Odd how doctors and nurses point their fingers at cans of beer rather than at bottles if Tylenol, Prozac, Welbutrin, etc etc etc ad infinitum.

        August 29, 2014 at 9:19 am |
      • LaBella

        For a fact, it has always been the pills drunkards take to ease that morning feeling after a night of binge drinking that caused their livers to be damaged. Not the booze itself.
        Again, you made it sound as if the alcohol had no responsibility in it. This is patently false.
        So again, what was the cause of liver damage prior to it's being introduced in 1953?

        August 29, 2014 at 10:42 am |
  17. Joey Isotta-Fraschini©

    Acetaminophen? There is none in my house.
    Even when relatives insisted that I take it, "because the doctors use it, and they do know, you know," I refused. Aspirin has been around a long time.!

    August 28, 2014 at 9:45 pm |
  18. chri§§y

    Good luck on that! Banasy rarely posts anymore.

    August 28, 2014 at 9:51 pm |
  19. Philip

    True. Ancient Greeks discovered aspirin over 2000 years ago. Aspirin is naturally derived from the bark of the willow.
    Still. Aspirin inhibits tears from firming and so those who daily abuse aspirin rarely cry. (Jesus "wept bitterly" and often, btw)
    Tears are what keep our hearts soft and rid of toxins. That salty taste of tears is not all salt and is why tears taste so unique. Those who practice using aspirin which is a natural pain reliever and stress reducer, not a daily diet supplement, eventually experience mild or severe strokes by the age of 50, and end up needing heart defibs installed yo keep their hard hearts beating. Such as those of G Dubya Bush and The Dick, Cheney have.
    Aspirin is for short term use naturally, and for daily use by dummies who bought into that 1956 slogan "an aspirin a day keeps the doctor away", which was coined by a California doctor who based this idea on pure BS research of only his own patients.

    August 28, 2014 at 10:01 pm |
  20. chri§§y

    I soooo agree @ Joey! The only way one can get closure.

    August 28, 2014 at 10:05 pm |
  21. chri§§y

    Lol @ LaBella, probably the same thing that is still the number one causes it today...alcohol!

    August 28, 2014 at 10:09 pm |
  22. Joey Isotta-Fraschini©

    Philip,
    Many great performers are products of terrible childhoods. Every single great performer I ever worked with was reacting to, and using, something awful that happened to him when he was young.
    It is not necessary to suffer forever because of such a background.
    Even a powerful artist can dig up the past to use in his art, while leaving it alone when not at work.
    I think of my horrible background as an oilfield. I pump up dinosaur juice and sell it.
    I don't have to work all day and all night to make a living.

    August 28, 2014 at 10:11 pm |
    • Philip

      So you are on par with lazy men claiming to be disabled while smoking weeds and popping free oxycontin. One dingy dingy for Joey.

      August 28, 2014 at 11:05 pm |
      • LaBella

        Of course, that what Joey clearly said.
        You do have an affinity for putting words in other people's mouths, don't you? Stop trying to read between the lines, and actually read what people say!

        August 28, 2014 at 11:19 pm |
      • Philip

        You speak in riddles and with song lyrics, LaBella. Who are you?

        August 28, 2014 at 11:22 pm |
      • Philip

        With the sweat of your brow all of your days will be filled with toil, said God. 85% of US believe in the God of the bible. Yet most of US struggle to get out of work that makes a man sweat toxins and excess fats from his bodily tissues.
        Wut up wide day, yo.

        August 28, 2014 at 11:40 pm |
      • LaBella

        LaBella.

        August 28, 2014 at 11:44 pm |
      • Joey Isotta-Fraschini©

        @ Philip,
        Huh?
        Joey on a par with...
        Lazy? On disability? Smoking weed? On oxycontin, Free oxycontin?
        Yep. You busted me.

        August 29, 2014 at 5:40 am |
      • Philip

        I was referring to your statement that you don't have to work all day and all night, Joey. Lazy men who choose to live the homeless lifestyle brag about not having to work. That they can just lay around and collect disability pay and free drugs of choice. That if they spend their food money on "medical" marijuana they can go to just about any church and get free food.
        I was in no way referencing you as being one if them in their drinking and drugging habits. Other than aspirin not being mint patties.

        August 29, 2014 at 8:56 am |
      • Philip

        And I thoroughly enjoyed my former career working in the oilfieds of this world, Joey. It took me on many wonderful and amazing adventures. From drilling a couple of miles from the north rim of The Grand Canyon where I found a 19 thousand year old petrified skull of an extinct bison...all the way to Germany where I rode a bicycle all the way around the Bavarian Ocean / Lake Chiemsee, and interviewed elderly people at camp grounds concerning everyone knowing about Fatherland Security

        August 29, 2014 at 9:11 am |
  23. chri§§y

    Sorry meant to say cause "of" it today.

    August 28, 2014 at 10:11 pm |
  24. Joey Isotta-Fraschini©

    I saw Robin Williams in person only once.
    He was standing on an exposed escalator in a Manhattan movie theater, shouting for ushers to come and get him out of the theater so he wouldn't be mobbed by people.
    If he hadn't been yelling, very few people would have seen him at all.

    August 28, 2014 at 10:29 pm |
    • LaBella

      Top or bottom of the escalator?
      I understand this is a problem for the very vertically challenged.

      August 28, 2014 at 10:43 pm |
      • Joey Isotta-Fraschini©

        @ LaBella,
        He was about 2/3 of the way up it, facing forward at the crowd as he was coming down into the lobby.
        That syndrome might have caused the problem.

        August 28, 2014 at 10:55 pm |
      • LaBella

        Well, that was certainly an attention grabber...

        August 28, 2014 at 11:08 pm |
  25. Philip

    Robin Williams: "I was shameful, did stuff that caused disgust – that's hard to recover from." – The Guardian dot com.
    Robin's parents failed to teach him that God is willing to forgive even grotesque sins if one simply stops doing them and work their way towords doing good rather than bad things to people.
    Spiritual neglect is what most American parents are guilty of. Besides not calling the cops when daughters are rayped.

    August 28, 2014 at 11:19 pm |
  26. Philip

    Btw. What is the record for most off-topic comments in CNN history?
    Gang bangers and outlaw biker gangs pose a much bigger threat. And one that has been demonstrated for decades. Not just assumed of.
    Again. I challenge any @CNN blogdome to debate with me on this matter of who really threatens our security. So far, zero takers.

    August 28, 2014 at 11:32 pm |
    • Philip

      Bigger threat than what president BH Obama calls "ISIL", not "ISIS".

      August 28, 2014 at 11:35 pm |
    • Joey Isotta-Fraschini©

      @ Philip, I won't debate that with you. We agree that the USA's greatest threat is already here. We might disagree slightly on its exact form, but we consumed the poison.
      I believe that our opera will end less optimistically than SUOR ANGELICA.

      August 29, 2014 at 8:52 am |
      • Philip

        Yeah. I know you won't already. I was addressing all CNN "news bloggers", if there is such a people. Chit chatters is all I see here, who throw-in a reference to the news, and lololol at men like Robin Williams. Little jabs thrown into the air. How many before they fall back down upon that persons head.
        And, exactly. Americans are their own worst enemy. Members if one's own family are commonly the abuser. Even in ones own church or police department can be found the next child abuser.

        August 29, 2014 at 9:02 am |
  27. Philip

    Good night, cruel world. Is 9:42 pm. Just enough time to check on my daughter, Mukazi. 🙂

    August 28, 2014 at 11:43 pm |
  28. chri§§y

    Lol @ laBella...you will never get a committed alcoholic to admit that alcohol is Bad for them! Lololololol

    August 29, 2014 at 5:09 am |
    • Joey Isotta-Fraschini©

      Actually, a study by Jefferson United University, conducted between 1994 and 2009, produced strong evidence that daily consumption of white wine increased the average life expectancy of chimpanzees, hamsters, and neural-venom reptiles by 34% when combined with even small amounts of red wine.

      August 29, 2014 at 6:04 am |
      • Joey Isotta-Fraschini©

        The university, located outside of Atlanta, Georgia, near but not associated with Emory University, has recently been awarded a federal grant of six hundred million dollars to continue studies of the beneficial effects of alcohol when stored in containers larger than one liter in capacity.

        August 29, 2014 at 6:27 am |
  29. Philip

    Liver damage is primarily caused by acetaminophen, LaBella. Acetaminophen NAZI Bayer AG/IG Farben doctors pushed on a nation filled with beer drinkers. (pre WWII Germans)
    Then secret US gov operation "Paperclip" smuggled hundreds of NAZI medical doctors and scientists into the USA after WWII. And by the 1950's Americans began to be damaged by them. By the 1980's, be made fat and stupid by them (drugs).
    Did you know of op Paperclip?

    August 29, 2014 at 9:29 am |
    • LaBella

      #1 cause of acute liver damage is acetaminophen; taking a large quantiity at once, or taking more than the recommended doses daily for an extended number of days.

      Reading the label, it clearly states this.

      #1 cause of chronic liver damage, (and there's a difference between acute and chronic) is alcohol, followed by Hep B and C, along with some prescription meds that should me monitored when taking them.

      #1 cause of Cirrhosis (the leading liver malady) is alcohol.

      August 29, 2014 at 11:20 am |
      • LaBella

        🎶Booze, Mister Booze (Mister Booze), Mister Booze
        Mister B double O, Z Eeee, (that sure spells booze),
        You will wind up wearing tattered shoes if you mess with Mister Booze
        🎶

        August 29, 2014 at 11:36 am |
      • Philip

        Hogwash. The FDA website clearly states that acetaminophen causes over half of all liver damage. And acetaminophen is found in most OTC drugs, not just in prescription drugs or bottles of Tylenol.
        Americans spend almost twice as much on drugs than is spent on national defense. And also spend a few million dollars on booze.

        August 29, 2014 at 12:23 pm |
      • Philip

        And this time YOU ignored my question.
        Had you ever heard of US gov op "Paperclip" that smuggled hundreds of NAZI MDs into America after WWII before they faced war crime tribunals for crimes such as using Jewish women and children as lab rats?

        August 29, 2014 at 12:27 pm |
      • LaBella

        Hogwash. Just because you do not like to proven wrong does not mean you get to make up your own facts.

        August 29, 2014 at 12:39 pm |
      • Philip

        Lol. Do you really think that you proved the FDA to be wrong about acetaminophen CAUSING OVER HALF of all liver damage, LaBella? That's hilarious.
        And Joey, acetaminophen is found in almost every OTC product sold at pharmacies. Everyone that uses pharmacy products have liver damage caused by them to some extent. Some more than others.

        August 29, 2014 at 5:17 pm |
      • LaBella

        Have you looked up the difference between acute and chronic yet, Philip? It applies.

        And knock of the condescension. It's unseemly.

        August 29, 2014 at 6:01 pm |
  30. chri§§y

    Maybe since it was interpreted wrong could be why you didnt your case, which i assume was on behalf of your brother!

    August 30, 2014 at 2:57 am |
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