Kissinger on the evolving global order
Fareed speaks with former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger about the current global order and the concept of American exceptionalism. Watch the full interview on "Fareed Zakaria GPS," this Sunday at 10 a.m. and 1 p.m. ET on CNN.
In reading your book, what is striking is you describe a world order, really the Westphalian world order, created after the religious wars in Europe that was conceived of and articulated and implemented by the West using Western values. And you point out that there is no such agreement now. The Chinese have their own conception of world order. The Islamic world has its own conception of the world order. Even the Indians have a very different conception.
So I read that part and I thought, my God, it’s going to be impossible to imagine any conceivable global world order, no matter how smart and engaged the U.S. president is or this is a structural shift that's taken place that is overwhelming.
No, it will be very difficult, but it has to begin by understanding what the differences are. And therefore, in stating one's objectives, one has a dual task and it's somewhat contradictory.
One has to be motivated by the values of our own society. And they are very inseparable from exceptionalism. But one has to understand that these are not self-evident somewhere else. And one has, therefore, to fit specific policies into a framework. That's very difficult. It's never…
Believe in yourself, but recognize the other guy believes in himself just as much?
At least to begin by understanding what he thinks and then to see whether one can find some common basis. Now, in the current world, there’s some common basis, at least for established government. One is the fear of nuclear war. The major powers, really, haven’t engaged in war against each other. There are questions of environment, of climate and of the structure of our societies. And one has to find a way of focusing attentions on some of the global problems and not be obsessed by the geopolitical balances that grow out of the Westphalian system. But the Westphalian system had at least this advantage, that non-interference in domestic affairs of others was one of its basic principles.
And we don't have that.
No, the opposite is being practiced.
Do you think the United States should stop interfering in the internal affairs of other countries?
The United States should make this distinction. Other countries should know that our conduct will be affected by the relationship to our values. But they should not feel that we are blackmailing them. So it's another one of these passages one has to find.
When you talk about the exceptionalism, it made me think about the criticism Obama got for saying I believe that America is exceptional, but I can imagine that the British believe they're exceptional, too, or the Greeks, I think he said, believe they're exceptional, too.
No, I think as a statement that is historically not inaccurate. But there is a difference to American exceptionalism in the sense that the basis of our society has always been that we, by our conduct, represent values that are of global significance. The British haven't thought that. Greeks haven't thought that. Because the people who came to this country lived in a continent which was separated from the rest of the world, so that they thought their performance was exemplary for the rest of the world. And in many ways, it was.
So American exceptionalism has a more missionary quality, which inherently, it's part of our foreign policy. But we cannot use it as a geopolitical weapon.
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Henry Kissinger is Dr. Strangelove in Stanley Kubrick’s comedy movie about nuclear weapons – “Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb.” Released on January 29, 1964.
Like Henry Kissinger, Dr. Strangelove was a German born who was living in US, he was part of the inner circle advisors to the US government whose advice always led to the " Annihilation of the human race for the sake of peace". Dr. Strangelove was a comedy released 1964, but unfortunately Henry Kissinger is a real advisor to the US government, Kissinger propose the same things; " Annihilation of the human race for the sake of peace", Mr. Kissinger was one of the mastermind behind the US invasion on Iraq in 2003 – it's not surprising to see that some Germans had never changed.
I'm still waiting on the ICC to finish investigating deaths of civilians at the hands of war criminals during this latest Jews vs. "Hamas" fighting. (as mandated by UN charter)
Yes. About 150,000 Jews volunteered to join Hitler rather than going to slave at munitions and war machine manufacturing facilities.
What religion one associates one's self with means nothing in reality.
NAZI war criminals went on to become priests and bishops, you know.
@ OH wrote about one of my favorite films, but he or she left out the PBFs.
This war criminal can't pass away fast enough...
Quite true Adrian, quite true.
Not so fast guys! Lots of World leders have become nicer and wiser after leaving office. Not having to deal with the geopolitical situation every day really helps. That's what I see in Mr K. now...
Pumpernickel! Pumpernickel!
Kissinger's Westphalian Pumpernickel Speech is as uncomforting and false as a eulogy presented by a Pentecostal preacher who may at any moment break forth into tongues.
America, please Erwache before they bury you.
What scares me the most is a world order dominated by the right-wing thugs in Washington and London!
@ General patton:
"Right-wing thugs" do not dominate either Washington or London.
A world order led by Washington would be ideal.
If that scares you, General, suck it up.
You know better than that, Joey. I feel the same way George does. It's never good to see so much power fall into the hands of the few!
@ My Troll, you would advocate a world as chaotic as a public-school classroom in a large USA city of the year 2014.
Why would anyone publish this mans opinion anymore. He is obviously demented!
Demented, au contraire! This guy is clear proof that age doesn't necessarily dull the mind. He doesn't just regurgitate US foreign policy like ol' Zbig and the Chomsky fella. Yesterday I saw Cold War on CNN, and what Mr K. had to say now about how to relate to Putin now was like hearing about the "ostpolitik" of Willy Brandt then...
And @ George, when you say "right wing thugs" you are talking about republicanr correct? If so @ Joey (in blue) he is correct!
@ chrissy,
That makes both of you wrong: Republicans are not thugs.
Aren't they, Joey? Except for Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky, they most certainly are!!!
Rand Paul? General, your brain has decayed atrociously.
No @ Joey, it DOES NOT make us wrong! It means our OPINION is DIFFERENT than yours! Get it right now!!!
So if you agree with all that warmongering and POTUS bashing going on with YOUR group, that kinda makes YOU a hypocrit now doesnt it?
@ chrissy:
it is seldom that I agree with any group about every issue. That is because I think for myself.
I am a Republican who, at this time, supports politicians like President Obama and Hillary Clinton.
I am not a hypocrite, and you would be mistaken if the name that you chose to call me were "thug."
Rand Paul knows that the top banks do not own the real property Notes too. The scam is that the top banks do not own the Notes. Confirm you debt, that is the only hope we have as the public. The top banks are in control of the courts, that is why the banks are too big to fail! The deeds of trust are breached at ¶23 because when they sold the Notes to the securitized trusts, the Reconveyance of the prior interest was not recorded leaving room for the top banks to step into the shoes of the investors and defraud both the investors and the borrowers. CONFIRM YOUR DEBT
And then you have the ongoing LIBOR bankster criminal investigation that is already the largest fraud case in world history. And the US federal reserve purchasing trillions of dollars worth of US properties each year. And the US government owing the World Bank 8 times more than the US government is worth.
They are not "Too big to fail". They are the genie that's too big to put back into the bottle.
World Order... Who is to say what the world order should be? I think it is the most arrogant self-righteous thing to do. Just because a country or an empire has more military might, does not give it the right to impose rules or to subjugate other countries to their cultural values. We are no longer living in the dark ages. It was the Conquistadors who invaded and wiped out many civilizations in Latin America. It was British and French colonialism that enslaved and ultimately corrupted places like Africa, India and Australia. When we engage another country whether by proxy or direct military action, you set the stage for creating rebellion, corruption, lawlessness an ultimately hatred. History has shown over and over that you cannot impose your will upon other people by force, unless your intent is to completely wipe them out and take over their lands. Now that we've once again engaged Iraq in a bombing campaign, we're once again sawing the seeds of hatred in the region. Ultimately, this is what ISIS wants. This gives them more legitimacy with the Sunni minority and an open door for recruitment. This conflict will last for many years and will result in the deaths of many thousands of innocents... The never ending cycle of ignorance, war and hatred.
Great post, Ferhat. Nothing could be closer to the truth!
No, @ My Troll.
That was not close to the truth. That was a denial of reality.
What is true is what exists.
Humanity is as it is.
War does not necessarily involve "hatred."
The intensity of affect that must be summoned to wage war may be mistaken for hatred.
You're right, Joey. In Washingtom D.C., it's more about big bucks and kickbacks.
@ My Troll,
I find your wording of that post, which implies that I stated something about Washington kickbacks or big bucks, manipulative and deceptive.
So, let me get this straight; Henry Kissinger saw a VW Westphalia van packed with Illuminati Freemasons and president Obama didn't.
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Poets' starving children bleed
Nothing he's got he really needs
Twenty first century schizoid man.🎶
I'll wager Henry Kissinger's pastry white skin and obesity are caused by pharmacy products. Along with obvious brain damage and day dreamed observations.
Pot, meet kettle.
You know he's 91, don't you? You aren't half as erudite at your stated age of 55. What is the cause of your obvious brain damage? Booze?
LaBella ? Chrissy? It's about Kissinger calling the NWO the "evolving world order", not about me. Get a clue.
It's not about me, LaBella, Chrissy. How is it that neither of you seem to be able to grasp this simple truth?
It's not about me. Sheesh.
The simple truth is "I’ll wager Henry Kissinger’s pastry white skin and obesity are caused by pharmacy products. Along with obvious brain damage and day dreamed observations." has nothing to do with anything and are the same type of ramblings that you are accusing Kissenger of doing. Can you not grasp that simple concept? Sheesh.
Oh grow up LaBella. Barbara Bush ate Xanax out of a cereal bowl for crying out loud. Stop acting as if 75% of all MDs aren't drug addicts. Americans spend wayyyy more on drugs than on National Defense. Same as Israel. Pull your head out of your...sand. 🙂 Ostrich
Stop acting as if you are the only one who possesses this knowledge. Pull your head out of you bottle.
And either link that MD assertion or shut up.
War is good. BOINK..BOINK...BOINK...Bomb ISIS into tiny winy pieces...
Lol its healthy to focus on things but its obbsession when your focus is on only ONE thing forever!
This article is not about me, Chrissy. Thank you.
NWO? What a pity that we lost the ability to read entire words.
When Niels Lund painted "Heart of the Empire," all was right with the world.
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I checked the ti-
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le of that London painting. Properly, it's "The Heart of the Empire."
"Those Were the Days!"
Isn't NWO a rap group? Oh...that's NWA. Never mind; carry on.
@Kathryn Reynolds
Rand Paul knows nothing !
@ Thomas,
Rand Paul knows something, or you would not be writing about him.
He knows just enough to spoil the ambitions of conservative politicians. who might be elected to the presidency.
@ Joey
Thug~ villain, enforcer. A group of thugs trying to enforce THEIR beilefs on others! THAT seems like a pretty accurate discription on the goons in DC...majority being Republican! And Joey i did not ever call YOU a thug!
Hypocrit~a person who's actions belie stated beliefs! So @ Joey, you state a belief (which is the direct opposite of the republicans in office) then you say you are one of them. Sounds hypocritical to me!
Exactly, Chrissy. Even groups of thugs in Chicago's dozens of street gangs all wearing show your crack trousers and having youngsters dress just like them. Same tattoos even.
And as i have also stated, quite recently in fact, we all have our OWN opinions. Sometimes we agree sometimes we dont. That does NOT mean either you or i are WRONG it just means we disagree! And im also quite aware @ Joey, that lately you seem to seek out my posts a great deal just so you can tell me im wrong! As much as that may amuse you, it does not amuse me. But i try to contain my responses back due to your age. I cannot promise to react that way forever though.
BS. The majority of Americans get their opinions concerning world events from The Comedy Channel and the majority of the rest get their opinions from TV/Radio talking heads, Chrissy. Very few read books like the CIA World Fact Book or actually adopt a starving African girl and see through her eyes what's really going on.
Sure. Only Philip has the Truth™.
Got any proof of that, or is that just your opinion again?
America's number one source for news is The Comedy Channel. Google it.
The CIA World Fact Book even tracks the spread of HIV. Familiarize yourself with public domain info gathered and published by history's largest-ever information gathering network: The US NSA which has been tracking American citizens for years. NSA admits to this after Wiki leaks/Eric Snowden blew the whistle. Every single email, text, phone call. PC keystroke made, movement of state licenced vehicles, etc has been being stored as data by the NSA. Not counting what their 3000 orbiting satellites see.
No, it isn't, Philip. I googled it.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/163412/americans-main-source-news.aspx
Fox, unfortunately, is.
Great for a hyperbolic bs statement, though, Philip. I'll give you that.
Stop denying the well known popularity of Comedy Channel nightly news programs. For many years they outperform serious TV news according to official ratings/ad revenues.
You don't really think that the avg. US adult is very well informed, do you?
Are you that dense that asserting that CC is the number #1 news source for Americans, and then when shown proof that you are wrong, suddenly changing your assertion to "it's popular" isn't blatantly disingenuous? I called you out on a lie. Stop telling it.
Name one news source that has higher Nielsen ratings than Comedy Channel faux nightly news shows. And get a clue. Your average American is now fat and stupid. Look around you at Wal-Mart ! Sheesh!
LaBella. You replied to my one liner about source of news yet remain speechless regarding NSA paragraph of words. Why is that.
Because that's common knowledge, Philip. It's not as if your breaking new ground here.
And Fox has higher ratings. As in, "America watches Fox for their news, and not CC for their news."
Ratings does not equal news source. If that were the case, Game of Thrones" will be your next cited show that people glean their news from.
And I am still awaiting your source for your "75% of MD's are addicted to drugs". Why is that.
I keep having that same dream over and over and over again. You know, the one about living in a Palin free world. But then I always wake up.
@LaBella. NEW WORLD ORDER, not some comic strip in your brain. An ACTUAL group of men who have been drugging mankind for over 3,500 years. Their story is told on the backs of US One Dollar bills which include the ancient pagan Egyptian sign Rx, and as well told on Denver International Airport wall tapestries that were all taken down after men like myself studied them well and began speaking freely of these things. Things not allowed by federal judges to be aired or published. Things you have not spent decades studying.
Stop being an obtuse ass, Philip. It was a joke, and most people of even minuscule intelligence would recognize it as such. I'm not surprised you didn't.
Your educational level is on display for all to see. Don't be so quick to brag about something that is nothing more than anecdotal.
Only fools joke about the reality of The New World Order. Only medicated fools refer to this old group of Illuminati as "evolving". They live to be ripe old ages by way of harvesting kidnapped children's vital organs. Laugh if you must. But these things are real.
And only self-important, self-righteous little men bray about supposed "problems" that are only evident to the drunken fool who spends 98% of his time "researching" the problem without ever coming up with one solution other than "look at me! I'm right and you must be medicated if you don't see it!"
There is no solution. Don't you get it?
And knock it off with your childish name calling today. Save it for tomorrow or something. Thank you.
Them it's an exercise in futility, and you are just rambling for naught. It does no good to obsess about something you can do nothing about.
I got the name calling tactic from you, Philip. Perhaps a moment of self-awareness and introspection is in order, starting with your silly habit of telling everyone to "get a clue." The measure you give will be the measure you get.
For example, according to the CIA World Factbook, the per-capita HIV infection rate was 0% until US troops invaded. Now, Afghanistan's HIV rate rivals that of Israel and Saudi Arabia.
Lol. Did you know that Saudi youths smoke more crystal meth than US youngsters? And use more Rx pharmacy drugs too, per capital.
Interesting factoids is all. But they all add up to the Illuminati Druggery of mankind.
These "factoids" are useless. And the mention of the Illuminati tells me you read too much Dan Brown.
Not "do something about". Simply trying to warn people concerning things not broadcast here in the USA. History not taught in classroom books. That one's only true hope is to get out from among crooked organizations and to stop personally sponsoring war mongers. Perhaps adopt a child starving and send her $50 per week allowance and what wisdom an American 55 year old might could have.
The meek shall inherit the earth. Not the strong as Evolution says. Otherwise, insects would already rule the world.
Already the worlds governments are being tricked into uniting against an organized religious faction: "ISIS threat to world peace and security".
Next, governments vs. religious leaders fat and filthy rich by way of conning doped congregants. Even religious org. leaders who called each other than alerting the authorities of child abuse among themselves.
By bye you bloodthirsty child abusing religious organizations. Get out of them or go down yourselves.
And what are they supposed to do with that information, Dan Brown? Encourage people to be as paranoid as you? Hell to the no.
Evolution and God have nothing to do with this conversation. And no matter how you choose to portray it, that child in Africa is NOT your daughter, Sally.
I'm not paranoid of ISIS or Boko Haram. CNN and others are. I know government trickery when I see it. Organized religions are going down by the hand of militaristic governments even now.
Never said she was my daughter you old bitty. I'm just the only half decent male she has ever known. Her father abandoned her and her uncles are abusive. I financed her and her mom moving away from the extended dysfunctional family that keep child raype among family members secret from the police. In Uganda, most raype cases go unreported now. Same as here in USA for decades.
Old bitty? What is that?
Changing the subject AGAIN?
Focus, Philip. You haven't stuck to one topic for more than a nanosecond.
And, you need to re-read the stuff you post. You most certainly did refer to her as "my daughter". I guess the Perils of Philip are getting too out of hand to keep track of.
You catch more flies with sugar than you do vinegar @ Philip! I dont need to explain what that means to you, do i?
Not catching flies, Chrissy. Those days are gone. Simply chatting with flies stuck to the flypaper is all. I am a fly. I cannot unstick another.
You are a pest, this is true. Time for you to fly back to the feces you spread.
Its not about me, LaBella. Knock it off.
Mmmmmmm... feces
Philip, perhaps you think your insults directed towards me are so slyly crafted, I wouldn't be able to recognize it. You overestimated your skill in this. You get what you give; I warned you about it in another post.
You are not particularly clever. If you want me to knock it off, I suggest you take your own advice and do the same.
Kanye West , stand up for the disabled .
Why is the culture of cool being sold out like for 1/4 pounder ?
America wake up !
Mr. West is such a classy performer.
/sarcasm
Only Kanye West can defeat ISIS or Boko Haram on Instagram , Instagram is a fast, beautiful and fun way to share your life with friends and family .
Facebook is for old people selling VHS tapes .
Boko Haram is a covert CIA operation. So you are not funny, Thomas. Except to flies stuck on fly paper like yourself
Says who? The CIA World Fact Book?
Back it up, braggart.
I, too, without taking sides in this, uh, debate, would like to know the source of Philip's 75% for addicted doctors.
He may have tossed it out carelessly, and I have known several MDs who were addicted at one time in their lives. However, I doubt the accuracy of that figure.
Maybe the answer to my lies in @ Philip's definition of addiction.
Ha!
I meant "the answer to my question lies," not "the answer to my lies."
That was a severe typo, and no, @ dazzle, it was not Freudian.
@Joey, I don't think it was either. @Philip, kindly supply your source on the 75% of addicted MDs. It appears to me that these news threads keep getting recycled.
Nothing Kissinger, that old reprobate, says surprises me.
"The illegal we do immediately. The unconstiturional takes a little longer."
What a garbled mess this thread has become! @ Thomas, do you have a problem with standing up for the disabled? Or was it just because its Kanye? OR...were you commending him for doing so? And @ Philip...if YOU consider Comedy Central a news source, than i am not at all surprised you dont have many followers. And your comment about you being a "surrogate" father was commendable if true. Boko Haram is indeed the spawn of satan! My dear friend Zinnah and her husband are from Uganda/Nigeria and theyve been working very hard to get family members out of there. Too much evilness in this world for certain! SO for those of us that are educated, we should work doubly hard to BE KIND TO ONE ANOTHER! That means name calling is so not necessary! Its offensive and screams of ignorance! I dont know a single person who would enjoy being called a hag or an old bitty!!! So again i will say this...spread knowledge and save the ignorance for your next pub visit...where the recipient of your ignorance has a sporting chance by picking up a pool cue and educating you on the ignorance of name calling!
I think Thomas was being sarcastic about Kanye West, because he insisted that he wanted everyone to stand up at his concert and took umbrage when 2 disabled people couldn't, due to one being confined to a wheelchair, and the other having a prosthetic leg.
He then sent his bodyguard to the audience to make sure these two weren't lying, before graciously allowing them to remain seated.
Kanye is such a prince among performers.
Lol @ Joey's 4:43 post! That was hillarious even if it were in error! Competi tion for bobcat today! Thank you for that giggle Joey! Much appreciated truly! 😉
And i would like to add @ Joey, your timing on that "funny" was impeckable thanks! My daughter broke her record today, after 3 months in the hospital, this time she managed to be released and home for 4 days before being rushed back. So you see how good the timing was? Thanks again!
Lol thanks @ banasy i hadnt heard that story. Not that i woulda paid much attention as soon as the name Kanye comes up or kardasian i tend to tune that out! Attention grabbers get on my nerves so im not into "anything~all things kardasian"!
Just caught it at the end of my morning newscast, Chrissy...and no, it wasn't Comedy Central. Otherwise I wouldn't know anything about it.
Complete with video, so, yeah, it happened.
I agree @ dazzle...that percentage is very hard to believe. It wouldve been much bigger news than just comming from a blogger! Could be true maybe in one specific area maybe. And ive never been to Colorado so i cant say! But if it is the case in THAT location i would advise sane people might wish to relocate or pray hard they never get ill huh?
@chrissy so true. I eagerly await the source if it exists. How is Melissa doing?
I love the quote "The plural of anecdotal is not data" just for this reason.
Citations have been asked, yet not given; I have to think it is because 75% is a purely arbitrary number.
Not good at all @ dazzle but thanks for asking. My oldest and i went to NY in june. She was released from ORC the 26th of june and we came straight back to MI then. She was admitted in TC, Mi june 29th and released 4 days ago. Then rushed back there today.