September 24th, 2014
05:30 PM ET

Zakaria: ISIS policy 'remains somewhat troubling'

CNN speaks with Fareed Zakaria about President Obama’s speech on the threat posed by the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria delivered at the United Nations on Wednesday. This is an edited version of the transcript.

Many were surprised that the Obama administration did in fact put together a coalition including five Sunni Arab countries to not only express support, but military support against ISIS. They got involved in striking these ISIS targets in Syria. That certainly is going to put enormous pressure on the rest of the world and friends of the United States to at least voice support for what the U.S. is trying to achieve.

Frankly, I wouldn't mind seeing the United States leading a little bit from behind on this one, which is to say having the Sunni Arab states in the front confronting ISIS, rather than having what ISIS would regard as the crusader capitalist Western Christian power do it.

The issue here, though, is that the strikes are fine, and I think the president will find there's broad support in a campaign against ISIS. There's broad support for the kind of talk about world order. But what's the regional strategy and follow up?

These addresses before the U.N. General Assembly are usually pretty good speeches, well written, there's a whole laundry list of international issues they want to get through, make some points, but then a few days later, certainly a few weeks later, very few people remember what they said. Will this speech be remembered down the road?

I think it will because of that very distinctive piece of it, the call on the Muslim world to cleanse itself of extremism. Very unusual. Many presidents have thought about talking in those terms, but have always been deterred – I know this was a conversation that took place within the Bush White House – because [they] always felt it would seem too anti-Muslim.

But I think it's also important to point out that this was a great speech, the kind Obama gives well. It's Obama as professor. It's a public education speech. It's coherent. It arches over lots of subjects, talks about world order.

The problem is the policy underneath remains somewhat troubling. We are fighting ISIS, which will have the effect of strengthening the al-Assad regime, strengthening Iran, strengthening Russia, while we are also saying that we are battling the al-Assad regime, Russia, and Iran. That is not simply a problem; that is frankly incoherent. And we haven't figured out how to get around that strategic incoherence at the heart of the policy. That will start unraveling on the ground. The speech was great. President Bush made lots of very strong, determined, fiery speeches. But the problem is the policy on the ground has to keep up.

Take Iraq. He says we have a new government in Iraq. That's not exactly true. We have a new prime minister. The prime minister has not made any major concessions to the Sunnis. The Sunni tribes remain on strike, as it were – there's an excellent piece in The New York Times a couple of days ago that pointed out 198 airstrikes in Iraq have not been very effective because you don't have the ground troops, which would be the Sunni locals whose hearts and minds you have won over. So that's the kind of stuff that will unravel on the ground despite the eloquence and frankly brilliance of the speech.

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  1. Joey Isotta-Fraschini©

    President Obama devised a good strategy for this time.
    I hope that he is willing to alter that strategy if the need for increased bombing or troops becomes obvious.
    Harry Truman was a Democrat.

    September 25, 2014 at 3:45 am |
  2. Ibrahim

    1. As long as the US media fails to present Muslims who properly represent conservative Muslims, the American public will continue to be misled. Bring on members of CAIR and ISNA and you might present real differing views
    2. Do not try to attach a pathetic obsession of liberalizing the arab world to a hunt for ISIS. ISIS is a separate category
    3. The causes and sources of terrorism also lie in blind foreign policy; own up to your mistakes in Iraq which created ISIS
    4. Do not attempt to securely enabling Shia parties to take control of middle east nations; they will never represent the majority of Sunnis

    September 25, 2014 at 4:07 am |
    • Mopper

      CAIR has little or no credibilty in the West as it has ties to violent Islamists (ie. Hamas). Your suggestion of using a group like this for PR shows how naive you. The one big point you missed was that Islam has to reform itself. Start a movement to get rid of the apostasy law (murdering people who leave Islam) or stand up for religious minorities suffering under Islamic majorities then people may start listening to you. Otherwise, you are just sucking wind.

      September 25, 2014 at 5:42 am |
      • Olympic Eagle

        You may be right about Islam reforming itself, but that might very well take generations if not a century or two. Americans like to solve problems by Friday night so that they can catch the high school football game that evening, watch college ball on Saturdays and the pro games on Sunday. Then, if they have to, they want a new problem to solve in Monday. Unfortunately for us, the world works differently.

        September 25, 2014 at 8:30 am |
    • Howxg

      CAIR ?. Yes you are correct the they will present the best side Islam because that is one of their primary functions-to act as a front. There are hundreds of poles conducted by organizations such as the pew foundation, gallop, and Aljazeera which can give you a sense of the true views on a wide range of subjects of Muslims in many parts of the world (subjects like honor killing, September 11, Free speech, Sharia Law, ect.) These pools are not perfect but you don’t need to be a genius to filter out the noise. Clearly their many wonderful Muslims who are outspoken and who unambiguously and sincerely appose terrorism but unfortunately there not enough of them yet to be relevant. One of the world’s biggest challenges is to make sure that Sharia Law does not spread. I fear that there are too few good Muslims to stop the spread of Sharia.( I do concede that there are many stupid things that the United States has done and continues to do which exacerbates the problem such as putting the Shaw into power.)

      September 25, 2014 at 5:54 am |
    • mozga

      the US was made possible by patriots with firearms.
      if these people in the middle east truely want to be free of isis, i suspect they would do the same.

      September 25, 2014 at 6:45 am |
      • Cobra6

        The US was actually made possible by French intervention, British bungling, and the enormous distances and expense for a European nation fighting in the North American hinterland in the age of sail and horse.

        September 25, 2014 at 9:19 am |
    • Jefferson Rebel

      I wonder though.. as with most religions and their followers. Are what you call "conservative Muslims" considered luke warm in their faith by many other Muslims. The teachings of the Quran/Koran is clear when it speaks of how non-believers are to be treated... The Quran:
      Quran (2:191-193) – "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing...
      but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

      Quran (2:216) – "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time.

      And there are many more verses that extort the "faithful" to violence against "infidels". So, what are the non-Islamic peoples of the world to make of this? And the lack of action by Islamic nations to the response of what you may consider extremist Muslims?

      September 25, 2014 at 8:30 am |
      • Jefferson Rebel

        Quran (3:151) – "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

        Quran (4:74) – "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

        Quran (4:89) – "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

        Quran (4:95) – "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-" This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and this is reflected in other translations of the verse).

        I'm certain these verses in the Quran and others are directly was fuel the zeal of what many consider "extremist" Muslim. But ask yourself this... if the Quran is their holy book and they deem it truly the word of God... do all Muslims believe this or are many putting on a false facade for a variety of reasons?

        September 25, 2014 at 8:36 am |
      • Jefferson Rebel

        But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

        And here it is clear.... if non-believer of Islam cease, there is to be no violence inflicted on them EXCEPT against "polytheists". Believers of Islam consider Christians to be polytheists because they worship the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The Quran gives free license to persecute Christians, period. This is why to convert from Islam to Christianity is a death sentence in Islamic nations.

        September 25, 2014 at 8:53 am |
      • Ferhat Balkan

        Simply taking out specific verses out of the Quran and stating that they're instructions on what to do is misleading and not what the Quran intends. You have to read all of Quran to understand it. For example, the verses that you provided have to be looked at through a historical context. I simply do not have the time to explain everything on this forum, but I suggest you read the book first. If you're not inclined to do so, then at least take a look here:

        September 25, 2014 at 9:50 pm |
      • Ender

        Hey Jefferson Rebel I dont know how did yo find the words of Quran but you are right at one point. Extreemist use some parts of Quran but we must see the big Picture. Quran warns muslims about devil. Devil captures the mind and persuades muslim do what is wrong. Quran warns muslims captives shouldn't exterminated. However traitors can be exterminated. We know this in Medina siege from Hz Mohammeds life. A good muslim must mercy upon women and children. It is very hard to be a proper good muslim in this age especially in Iraq and Syria. We must put ourselves in their shoes. As I am in Turkey I am living a comfortble life I cant feel what Syrian muslims feel. They arent educated and they may not learn their religion propely. Their rage also cause them to commit sins. I cant approve captived soldiers killing by ISIS. However America made Iraq a battlefield nearly 24 years. Maybe Americans share their sin

        October 11, 2014 at 4:14 am |
    • Media Propaganda

      Why are Democrats and Republicans promoting the same ISIS Propaganda across all major news networks?

      These identical parties are using MSNBC, CNN, and FOX to generate fear and support for War and Surveillance.

      September 25, 2014 at 7:31 pm |
  3. onethought60

    I don't know what is incoherent with the policy, the President has told you what it is over and over. No American soldiers locked in a fight with Isis on the ground and we get Muslims in the region to do the on ground fighting, arm the moderates in Syria, and bomb the heck out of them from the air? Now Zakaria, I now you are good at plagiarizing so why don't you try it this time. Don't play dumb just because you don't like the policy.

    September 25, 2014 at 4:39 am |
    • Davil

      That comment brought to you by "Apologizer's for Obama."

      September 25, 2014 at 7:08 am |
      • TSRVT

        No, that was exactly correct – you are a fool if you say otherwise.

        September 25, 2014 at 10:42 am |
    • Cobra6

      To accomplish *what*? The "policy" you just outlined helps Bashar al Assad, Iran, and Russia – which contradicts other American policy. It also may not be achievable on the ground in any case. That's what Fareed is saying, and he's right.

      September 25, 2014 at 9:25 am |
  4. Brad Dorset

    George W. Bush created this mess. He gets to play golf while obama struggles to clean up his manure. ISIS, iraq war, economy, trillions of tax dollars lost in the war, lost lives are all a result of g.w.
    This is a fact. Not an opinion.

    September 25, 2014 at 4:55 am |
    • Mike

      Wow...get some professional help for your Bush hatred. But we are glad to hear you admit....Obama struggles.

      September 25, 2014 at 5:07 am |

        Wow...get some professional help for your Bush hatred.

        ^ 911, Katrina, Economic Meltdown, Iraq and a decade in which the US standard of living declined = Bush legacy.

        Get some help for you denial of the monstrous magnitude of his (and the GOP's) abysmal failure.

        September 25, 2014 at 6:50 am |
    • srcactus

      Leaving a void in Iraq by withdrawing all of our troops had nothing to do with it?
      Partisan blindness fails to recognize that there is enough BLAME to go around!

      September 25, 2014 at 8:43 am |
    • Neko Shousui

      Actually.....No. Ever seen the movie "Charlie Wilson's War". Based on a true story. Our ground war in Iraq was a response to 9-11. Bin Laden the then leader of Al Qaida was a product of Charlie Wilson's attempt to arm rebels in Afghanistan against the Soviet Union. Seems that both parties have had culpability. The problem is that we keep making the same mistakes (both dems and reps) over and over again. What happens to the ones we arm now? Will they be our childrens' problems?

      September 25, 2014 at 8:47 am |
    • RSJ

      This is not fact my friend. Yes, some of this mess can be traced back to decisions of GW but Obama has made MANY blunders and miscalculations that have led to an even bigger mess in the world. We have not had REAL leaders in a long time in the White House unfortunately and the one that is there now is nothing but a consummate POLITICIAN with a velvet tongue but no substance or leadership skills – he's like so many modern presidents who enjoy the "celebrity" perks of being president but don't really desire or know how to make tough decisions and LEAD in a dangerous world...

      September 25, 2014 at 9:25 am |
    • John

      You're dumb. Really, really stupid. See my instructions above you ideologue.

      September 25, 2014 at 11:19 pm |
    • Ender

      I agree with you Brad Dorset. All this evil comes from George W Bush he wanted to divide Iraq Iran and soon Tukey. However all he did was a great loss of lives and Money. America gained nothing exept Al Quada terror and Amercan taxes had gone to establish a Kurdish state in Iraq. Billions of dollars could develop the American insfructure , education
      and health system. Obama has power to invade Iraq but he is a patriot because he knows the harmful effects of war in American economy. Dont blame Turks why they are reluctant to a war. We know the harmful effects of war from our history. Ottoman Empire rises in 30 years of peace durin Soultan 2nd Beyazid. Only peace strenghtens a country. If America is peaceful it will strenghten its economy

      October 11, 2014 at 4:29 am |
  5. Zandie

    Amazing...people still defend the biggest war monger of this century. Simply amazing. Shock and awe.

    September 25, 2014 at 5:22 am |
  6. Dan

    Wow, Obama finally sounds like a President.

    September 25, 2014 at 5:23 am |
  7. Jerry

    Incoherent?! That is standard procedure for this clueless president. I am finally starting to agree with Fareed Zakaria. I am guessing he's finally seen the "LIGHT." Now, 0Bamabots, it's your turn!!!

    September 25, 2014 at 6:35 am |
    • TSRVT

      That's exactly the kind of response we are used to from you unhinged righties.

      September 25, 2014 at 10:43 am |
      • John

        You're only allowed to say something because unhinged righties gave you the permission to say something. Remember that, and go get me a drink. Now I said.

        Incidentally, when I say "righties," I'm talking about people of any party in history who stood up to aggression and evil. Harry Truman, Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Kennedy (sometimes), Reagan and yeah...both Bushes. This isn't about party. It's about philosophy. You actually believe that if we leave bad guys alone then they will leave us alone. You're ignorant to history and the human condition. You're the reason that bad guys even rise to power...because people like you let them. Otherwise, those aware of the realities of the world would have offed them before they ever came to power. There are no peaceful solutions here. There is no containment strategy. It's ignorant to think that and you're making the same mistakes that appeasers have always made throughout history.

        September 25, 2014 at 11:28 pm |
  8. jeltez42

    It's not our fight and none of our business what form of government the Syrians, Iraqis or anyone chooses. It should be crystal clear that when the US backs, props up, installs a government it will fail. These US supported leaders and governments are corrupt to the core.

    The people in Syria and Iraq have spoken that they do not care enough to stand and fight. They expect the US to fight in their place. The Obama-Clinton policy is an abject failure. We prop up two bit, brutal dictators in Syria and Iraq and cannot figure out why ISIS exists. We demand that we draw national boundaries that divide ethnic groups and combine them with arch enemies. US leaaders forgot that if you are to have a successful colonialism you need to maintain a strong military presence in the colony.

    September 25, 2014 at 6:44 am |
  9. jim

    Incoherence is the way of Obama.

    September 25, 2014 at 7:23 am |
  10. mike

    incoherent strategy fareek???? only took you 6 freaking years to come to the conclusion that the community organizer in chief is in over his head. Palin said it the best, "The presidency is not supposed to be about a journey of personal discovery".

    September 25, 2014 at 7:42 am |
  11. Zeitgiest

    Mr Zakaria, If you think that America is actually getting any support on this war–you are really deluded. There is no support–only Obama is saying that he has the support–anyone "supporting" is not saying or doing anything. Hence, only US weapons and military is out there fighting –and they will be all alone. Because, again, it's an illegitimate war! And at the end of it all, who will profit? Obama, Banks, Halliburton, Lockheed Skunk Works Boeing Phantom Works, Raytheon and other big corporations. And the Americans will be left ever more impoverished–yet again!

    September 25, 2014 at 7:43 am |
    • rupert

      Well put, Zeitgiest. Thank you. I myself do not approve of these obscene bombings where civilians get slaughtered like pigs in a pen. Besides, they make as all look bad as Americans!

      September 25, 2014 at 8:39 am |
      • rupert

        Our nation has a responsibility to destroy terrrrorists. The bombing is a good thing.
        Please ignore my troll saying otherwise. He is just trying to make a fool out of me.

        September 25, 2014 at 3:34 pm |
      • George patton

        Rupert at 3:34. You nailed it! Thank you. I wish they would do something about these name stealers. Truly shamefully.

        September 25, 2014 at 3:37 pm |
    • Jefferson Rebel

      And equally pathetic.. just another ploy by a politician to gain higher ratings for himself and his party in addition to the other corruptions you mentioned..

      September 25, 2014 at 8:45 am |
      • George patton

        Good posting, Jefferson. How true that is!!!

        September 25, 2014 at 9:13 am |
    • John

      Well said. This "coalition" is tiny and offering very little and we're "leading" this pack from behind. All of these extremist targets will survive this. It will quiet down for a while, and some progress will be made, but they will regroup when the bombing slows. That's a promise.

      September 25, 2014 at 11:32 pm |
      • rupert

        Let's all hope you're right, John. This country needs no more satellite states!

        September 27, 2014 at 8:04 am |
  12. rupert

    The ISIS is no more, no less a monster that we ourselves have created in the Middle East due to our senseless expansionism over there. We have but ourselves to blame for this mess!

    September 25, 2014 at 8:44 am |
  13. Neko Shousui

    It is a reoccurring theme. Watch Charlie Wilson's War.

    September 25, 2014 at 8:50 am |
  14. Neko Shousui

    Wag the Dog

    September 25, 2014 at 8:50 am |
  15. gardel feurtado

    Dear Mr. Zakaria: I do hope you are not busy to read this note. I am a professor of political science at The Citadel (since 1988specializing in China affairs, terrorism,and national security, among other areas. I am a former CIA and foreign service officer. I have always found your commentary stimulating, and sometimes useful; I never considered you a "bandwagon" journalist or a member of the "talking heads" one sees on the Sunday shows. *Nonetheless, I think you have not given due consideration to Pres. Obama's approach to dealing with ISIS/ISIL because it is difficult for those involved intimately in the national security "community" (top officials in the WH and executive branch, the legislature, the public, members of the press, as well as other sectors of our society). Certainly, not all these players weigh in simultaneously or from the same base of information or understanding; in fact some players, or components of particular sectors may not recognize the impact of their actions on foreign and national security policy. Briefly, my point is not that I think Obama is doing "the best he can", but that he is in fact the first American president in a world that is remarkably globalized, for good and ill. It would then appear that the US Grand Strategy (unlike the Cold War) is to engage in what I call Strategic Management. This requires a new concept of leadership and "rebranding" of America in the world. A simplistic analogy–a hard police presence is many times not the answer to crime; anti-crime efforts work best when the community members become aware of their role as well. The "old guard" I referred to above was certain the US had not intel assets there; that Arab states would not, could not join in a fight against an brutal organization because it shielded itself in the Koran.One would think that sophisticated observers understood a simple lesson of political history–violence, coercion can be the vehicle to raw power. That is NOT the same as legitimate rule and quickly engenders cynicism and "exit" many times the exit is quiet due to the very crass and brutish use of coercion. we might all well review Thomas Hobbes and Machiavelli's advice to rulers and wannabees–for those too busy to take time from their TV appearances, summary versions of the key points are available via GOOGLE, free. There is a lot more that can be said on this topic, and I would welcome more interaction with you, either via email, or perhaps, you might agree to a visit/talk at The Citadel this year? We are a small college, but we have accommodated influential voices as yours. Charleston is a beautiful place; the political science department faculty–I was chair for the last 10 yrs, consists of well regarded professors trained at Columbia, Stanford, Berkeley, and with experience in DOD, and in peacekeeping (UN and AFRICOM) and the IMF, in addition to my own backgound. Thanks for your time, Respectfully, Gardel Feurtado, Ph.D.

    September 25, 2014 at 8:50 am |
    • Cobra6

      Fake. This is pretty poor writing and analysis for a supposed department head at a respected university. I smell a prank.

      September 25, 2014 at 9:33 am |
  16. bobo

    Well..... Obama doesn't really Want to hurt any Muslims.....

    September 25, 2014 at 9:35 am |
    • Joey Isotta-Fraschini

      Of course he does, bobo. He hates them with a passion. Maybe it's because his own father was one. One never knows!

      September 25, 2014 at 11:38 am |
      • Leonard

        Obama doesn't "hate" anyone. I'm just glad you're not jumping on the ignorant "he's a secret Muslim! Look at his name!", although throwing in a possible daddy complex wins you some points for absurdity originality.

        September 25, 2014 at 12:03 pm |
      • Joey Isotta-Fraschini©

        Y'all be sure to credit @ My Troll with that post just above, that one where he talked about the President's hating Muslims, maybe 'cause of his Daddy and all.

        September 26, 2014 at 10:03 am |
  17. Zeke

    The policy as being used is doomed to failure. When ISIS imbeds into the Syrian and Iragi civilians, it will temper what can be done with airstrikes. It is going to take foot soldiers to root them out and destroy them and their plans. But who is to do it? Obama says no US troops on the ground, they are already there and the rest of the world knows it too. What kind of a game is Obama playing? Other countries will not sacrifice there manpower on the ground unless all the partners are willing to share the responsibility.

    September 25, 2014 at 9:41 am |
  18. Bob

    I see some of the obama apologists did not get the White House morning tweet. In it obama said that hismapologists should stop blaming bush for the many failures of obama and his dream team of foreign policy advisors. He said blame Harry Truman instead for when Harry said the buck stops here he obviously was taking responsibility not only for his failures but also obama's.

    September 25, 2014 at 9:45 am |
  19. VEW2012

    What I don't understand is the people who think that it should be American boots on the ground. That is not a solution which will work. In the United States boot camp is not 1 year it is 9 weeks;and those would be green troops, but armies have gone to war with less training. If ground forces are sent in then they should be people fighting for their own country. I certainly agree with the President on NO to American boots on the ground. Advisers yes, but fighting NO!

    France may have sent the colonist aid and training, but the real brunt of the battle was fought by Americans living in the colonies.

    September 25, 2014 at 10:09 am |
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    September 25, 2014 at 12:06 pm |
  21. Thomas

    When you destabilize a region " Iraq " and inject a small minded leader " Nouri al-Maliki " , you create a vacuum , similar to that of Cambodia in the 70's " Khmer Rouge leader Pol Pot ".

    Who is selling ISSI the new AK 57s ?

    September 25, 2014 at 12:08 pm |
  22. Media Propaganda

    Why are Democrats and Republicans promoting the same ISIS Propaganda across all major news networks?

    These identical parties are using MSNBC, CNN, and FOX to generate fear and support for War and Surveillance..

    September 25, 2014 at 7:29 pm |
    • George patton

      Quite true, Media Propaganda, quite true!

      September 25, 2014 at 11:28 pm |
  23. chri§§y

    Imagine that @ Media Propoganda! Who said you cant teach an old dog new tricks huh? The new trick in DC...working together for the greater good!! Bout freakin time!

    September 25, 2014 at 8:55 pm |
  24. chri§§y

    Ok @ John...let me get this right...everyone is "dumb, really really dumb" if they dont agree with YOU? That right there, sounds incredibly DUMB to me!!! And you are WHO? I mean WHY should any of us believe YOU are the second comming much so in fact, that YOUR word is gospel?

    September 26, 2014 at 2:38 pm |
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