December 10th, 2014
04:39 PM ET

What I'm reading: Torture report highlights consequences of permanent war

By Fareed Zakaria

“Since at least 1940, when serious preparations for entry into World War II began, the United States has been more or less continually engaged in actual war or in semi-war, intensively girding itself for the next active engagement, assumed to lie just around the corner,” writes Andrew J. Bacevich in the Boston Globe. “The imperatives of national security, always said to be in peril, have taken precedence over all other considerations. In effect, war and the preparation for war have become perpetual. If doubts existed on that score, the response to 9/11, resulting in the declaration of an ambiguous and open-ended global war on terrorism, ought to have settled them.”

“One consequence of our engagement in permanent war has been to induce massive distortions, affecting apparatus of government, the nation, and the relationship between the two. The size, scope, and prerogatives accorded to the so-called intelligence community — along with the abuses detailed in the Senate report — provide only one example of the result. But so too is the popular deference accorded to those who claim to know exactly what national security requires, even as they evade responsibility for the last disaster to which expert advice gave rise.”


“After 9/11 the CIA reached out to its European allies as it embarked on its detention and extraordinary rendition operation. The aim was to place detainees beyond the reach of law,” writes Natalie Nougayrède in The Guardian. “The active participation of dozens of foreign governments made both the renditions and interrogations possible. How many in Europe will now be pressed to disclose the full extent of their involvement in these operations?”

“To this day the exact scale of European complicity remains unknown. This is because of the secrecy maintained for years by the US and its partner governments. Washington has never confirmed the location of secret CIA prisons, nor named the governments that cooperated, and nor indeed does the material just published. A decade on, there is still no public comprehensive account.”


“The doctors and scientists hunting for new cures and treatments work in a constant state of tension. They operate in a tremendously high-stakes environment, pouring years of their lives into research as the people who inspire them continue to suffer and even die. Drug hunters face failure after failure, almost never followed by success. Decades of work flame out. Promising ideas turn into dead ends,” writes Sam Baker for The National Journal. “For every 10,000 compounds they explore, scientists wind up with just one drug approved by the Food and Drug Administration. Even when medical science moves as fast as it can – and today, it's moving faster than ever before – it's still an agonizingly slow process.”


soundoff (192 Responses)
  1. banasy©


    December 11, 2014 at 4:54 pm |
  2. Blue Saffron☼

    Bush is a bad guy because he let water torture happen. Immoral, illegal, criminal act. But what about Obama who still lets droning kill in the thousands. UN and EU has already said it to be illegal. What are we waiting for? Another epiphany in 10 years? American government is the most hypocritical terror machine around. It does not represent the majority of the people.

    December 11, 2014 at 5:42 pm |
    • banasy©

      Yes, Obama continued what Bush started. And, make no mistake: Bush started a lot of what US practices currently.

      The US, Britain, and Israel all use drones. It's not exactly an United States exclusive. It is only a matter if time before other nations use them.

      Although I don't like excessive use of them, it is infinitely better than our US boots on the ground.

      I'd like to get past the whole culture of war, myself. This include ALL nations.

      December 11, 2014 at 5:56 pm |
      • Kenny Rodgers

        Banasy it's good to see you here. Where are chrissy and dazzle.?

        December 11, 2014 at 6:00 pm |
      • Black Betsy

        2 fur 1 are rectal rehydrating Modi. Ma bad.

        December 11, 2014 at 6:15 pm |
      • banasy©

        Black Betsey, that is a non-sequitur answer that doesn't apply to me whatsoever.

        KR, did you forget how to spell your name?

        December 11, 2014 at 6:26 pm |
      • rupert

        U GO GIRL!!!

        December 11, 2014 at 10:13 pm |
    • Rosey Khambatta

      Certainly does not represent me. I say fire the government.

      December 11, 2014 at 6:03 pm |
  3. Blue Saffron☼

    I keep on circling back to Seven Days in May as a very distinct possibility in USA, NATO et al.

    December 11, 2014 at 5:47 pm |
  4. Blue Saffron☼

    The American Government has even made a fool of the elective minority. Totally out of control. Police have taken over our streets. The politicians our money. Armed forces our skies, land and seas. And left us with quadrillion dollars of debt. Shame on us. Impeach the bums and dissolve the rest. We need to take back our country.


    December 11, 2014 at 6:22 pm |
    • banasy©

      You propose to do

      December 11, 2014 at 6:27 pm |
      • Blue Saffron☼

        "Impeach the bums. Dissolve the rest."

        I wasn't talking about Georgia peach and white horse.

        December 11, 2014 at 7:38 pm |
      • banasy©

        Impeach who? Dissoke what?

        Congress? The POTUS? The individual states/state governments? Local?

        Replace them with what? What form of government do you favor?

        Save your platitudes and quips and go into some depth.

        December 11, 2014 at 8:12 pm |
      • banasy©

        S/B *Dissolve what?

        December 11, 2014 at 8:15 pm |
      • Blue Saffron☼

        In America you impeach elected officials.

        December 11, 2014 at 8:50 pm |
      • banasy©

        Yes, I'm aware of that; I live in America. In America, you also have to have grounds to impeach officials on more than a disgruntled internet pseudo-pundit.

        December 11, 2014 at 9:43 pm |
      • banasy©

        So, I'll repeat:

        Impeach who? Dissolve what?

        Congress? The POTUS? The individual states/state governments? Local? ALL of them? On every level?

        Replace them with what? What form of government do you favor?

        December 11, 2014 at 9:47 pm |
      • Ram Chandar Ram Das

        You no go to India to raipe? Where you from? Bombay? I from Chennai. You eat samosas?

        December 12, 2014 at 3:09 am |
      • Ram Chandar Ram Das

        Pundit ji @banasy in India we impeech goats and camel. You know that. Why you ashamed if someone tells the truth about who you are. Be proud of your hindu heritage.

        December 12, 2014 at 3:16 am |
      • banasy©

        I am American, and I was asking questions about America

        Why you not know how to read or answer direct questions and switch personalities/names? Why you pretend to be Indian?

        You aren't. You know that.

        December 12, 2014 at 10:50 am |
    • Rob Porter

      The "hands up don't shoot" scenario is a lie, so for heaven's sake don't add to the disgraceful lie that Michael Brown put his hands up. He did not. Brown was low-life hood who robbed a store, assaulted an employee, then went out look for trouble, attacked an office in his car and eventually got shot dead. Brown was the architect of his own death.

      December 14, 2014 at 1:15 pm |
  5. Blue Saffron☼

    We helped write the treaty on torture tactics. And we broke it. This is a war crime.

    December 11, 2014 at 7:36 pm |
    • rupert

      @blue saffron. So? No body cares about paki Islamic extremists terrrrorists.

      December 11, 2014 at 10:24 pm |
  6. rupert

    @banasy. U tell em!
    U go girl!!!

    December 11, 2014 at 9:58 pm |
  7. rupert

    I was in a bus. A man sat next to me. He had bad curry bo. So I vomited. He was from Pakistan

    December 11, 2014 at 10:27 pm |
  8. rupert

    I eats me a heap of fried chicken,ribs and water melon. Now I is a black man.
    Scuse me. Gonna shuffle down the corner and play me some basketball
    Im the man

    December 11, 2014 at 10:31 pm |
  9. rupert

    sorry guys. My real girlfriend,chrissy told to post something funny about afro-americans. So I did.

    December 11, 2014 at 10:37 pm |
  10. Blue Saffron☼

    Democracy is a failed concept in recent times and has produced the worst band of thugs imaginable. US Congress, British Parliament are good examples. See what it has produced. Clinton, Bush, Obama. I wanna throw up.

    December 11, 2014 at 10:44 pm |
    • Daddy's Joy

      Also take the case of world's largest democracy (laughter) India. Modi, a murderer. Most of those elected have a criminal record.
      Another guy just murdered his wife and got away. He is a minister.

      December 11, 2014 at 10:47 pm |
    • Nur Eulb Noffas Nur

      Bock bock bock coward.

      December 11, 2014 at 10:59 pm |
  11. Daddy's Joy

    Modi should be rectal fed and kicked onto a plane headed to Hague.

    Watch this go right up hindoo a zz. Watch the tirade. Watch !

    December 11, 2014 at 10:49 pm |
  12. Daddy's Joy

    rupert has been rectally dehydrated. He is all puckered up. That mother f ukkin hinddooo

    December 11, 2014 at 10:52 pm |
  13. chri§§y

    Wow, do you really EAT with that mouth??? And you think people in India are bad? Have you listened to yourself?

    December 11, 2014 at 10:57 pm |
    • Philip

      Lol. Do you really eat with that mouth. Lmao. Good one, Chrissy. 🙂

      December 12, 2014 at 12:59 am |
      • Ram Chandar Ram Das

        In India we s ukk linga ( d ikk) with our mouth. You from there? Not?

        December 12, 2014 at 3:11 am |
    • Ram Chandar Ram Das

      Why you speak about Indian peeple? You indian? We bhery bad. Indians raipe and raipe. So what?

      December 12, 2014 at 3:06 am |
  14. Blue Saffron []

    I have many icons. Don't mess with me or I will hi-jack your name as well little miss chrissy with no where to go. LOL

    December 11, 2014 at 11:34 pm |
  15. Blue Saffron []

    Chrissy. Don't bother posting anything. Nobody cares nor does anybody want to listen to your trashy opinion.

    December 11, 2014 at 11:37 pm |
  16. Ram Chandar Ram Das

    Gandhi no gud. He f ukky f ukky goats snd camel. And like Bill Cosby he raipy raipy his niece.

    Hare krishna hare ram.

    December 12, 2014 at 3:13 am |
  17. Blue Saffron

    Untermensch Butcher of Gujarat Terrorist Narendra Modi of India was disinvited by Wharton Business School to attend an economic forum in USA. Hindus are furious but a terrorist is a terrorist and the world recognizes Modi as such.

    He needs to be dragged to ICJ The Hague and face trial just like Milosevic.

    But only after rectal feeding.

    December 12, 2014 at 3:19 am |
    • banasy©

      You should be ashamed of yourself ya fat belly yankee. We will impeach you.
      We may have BO but we can sure raipe in Hindoostan. Namastay.

      December 12, 2014 at 5:16 am |
      • banasy©

        Not even a close approximation of a post I would author.

        You are slipping badly.

        December 12, 2014 at 10:52 am |
  18. Blue Saffron

    Awwww chrissy don't go to Daddy's Joy house anymore. Come to papa. I make you feel like a woman should.

    December 12, 2014 at 3:21 am |
    • banasy©

      Leave her alone. I have been boehnering chrissy for ages. In Bombay.

      December 12, 2014 at 5:18 am |
      • banasy©

        John of Orange disapproves

        December 12, 2014 at 11:02 am |
  19. banasy©

    @chrissy, that was fun raiping all the girls in New Delhi. Let's go have some pakoras for breakfast now.

    December 12, 2014 at 5:14 am |
  20. banasy©

    So, I’ll repeat: but with answers.

    Impeach who? Rectal feed Modi.
    Dissolve what? My a zz

    Congress? The POTUS? The individual states/state governments? Local? ALL of them? On every level? Yup them are all raipists.

    Replace them with what? What form of government do you favor? Rehydrate all of them, stuff samosas up their a zz and put them on a boat to the caves in BangALoru.

    Now, let us go raipe.

    Om Om Om

    December 12, 2014 at 5:23 am |
    • banasy©

      Aw. Blue couldn't answer his posturing know-it-all post, so he has does this.

      Transparent attempt. Grade F.

      December 12, 2014 at 10:57 am |
      • rupert

        Ok hindoo boy, now f ukk off with an F.

        December 12, 2014 at 5:25 pm |
  21. Blue Saffron☼

    You can steal my name you can abuse me for no reason..... that is between you and your conscience. This I will say. See you in hell from my perch in heaven. So long my well wishers. See you around on Main Street.

    December 12, 2014 at 8:50 am |
  22. El Conquistador

    Take the high road @Blue Saffron. No need to respond to these low level trolls.

    December 12, 2014 at 10:07 am |
    • El Conquistador

      I am pretty sure I read somewhere these t hugs are from India (Hindoostan?).

      December 12, 2014 at 10:09 am |
      • banasy©

        The thug(a) are actually American.

        Perchance, are you a George Carlin fan?

        December 12, 2014 at 11:00 am |
      • rupert

        Modi needs to be rectal fed. Whaddya say.

        December 12, 2014 at 5:22 pm |
  23. banotsi

    Impeach the adulterous Bill Clinton and the war mongering George Bush(s). And the gay muslim Obama.

    December 12, 2014 at 11:05 am |
    • banasy©

      You're so obvious, Philip.

      A post-Presidential impeachment.
      And a bigoted untrue slur against our current POTUS, just for full rumor flavor.

      Posted under a bastardizations of my name, because that's totally what Jesus would do. If Jesus were a coward, of course.

      December 12, 2014 at 12:40 pm |
      • banotsi

        Clinton was impeached already, you dummy. And Obama is in fact a former drug dealing gang banger, self professed Muslim, and frequenter of gay bath houses.

        December 12, 2014 at 3:23 pm |
      • banotsi

        Banotsi is MY s/n, not yours. I made it up just like you made up banasy. So stfu.

        December 12, 2014 at 3:25 pm |
      • rupert

        Hey you guys f ukkin each other? Take it to the men's room.

        December 12, 2014 at 5:23 pm |
  24. rupert

    Anal hydration candidates


    VISHWA HINDU PARISHAD (World Hindu Council)

    LEADERS: Narendra Modi/ L.K. Advani/ Ashok Singhal/ Bala Saheb Devaras/ Bal Thackeray(EXTERMINATED)/ A.B. Vajpayee/ Savarkar/ Baikunnth Lal Sharma “Prem”/ Balraj Madhok/ The Shankaracharya of Puri, Niranjan Dev Theerth/ Rama Gopalan/ Variyar – Vishwan Hindu Parishad/ Dharmalinga Nadar/ Cho Ramaswamy

    December 12, 2014 at 1:39 pm |
  25. rupert


    1. National Democratic Front of Bodoland (NDFB)

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    4. Bodo Liberation Tiger Force (BLTF)

    5. Dima Halim Daogah (DHD)

    6. Karbi National Volunteers (KNV)

    7. Rabha National Security Force (RNSF)

    8. Koch-Rajbongshi Liberation Organisation (KRLO)

    9. Hmar People's Convention- Democracy (HPC-D)

    10. Karbi People's Front (KPF)

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    13. Bengali Tiger Force (BTF)

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    15. All Assam Adivasi Suraksha Samiti (AAASS)

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    18. United Liberation Front of Barak Valley

    19. United National Liberation Front (UNLF)

    20. People's Liberation Army (PLA)

    21. People's Revolutionary Party of Kangleipak (PREPAK)

    22. The above mentioned three groups now operate from a unified platform,

    23. the Manipur People's Liberation Front (MPLF)

    24. Kangleipak Communist Party (KCP)

    25. Kanglei Yawol Kanna Lup (KYKL)

    26. Manipur Liberation Tiger Army (MLTA)

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    28. People's Republican Army (PRA)

    29. Kangleipak Kanba Kanglup (KKK)

    30. Kangleipak Liberation Organisation (KLO)

    31. Revolutionary Joint Committee (RJC)

    32. National Socialist Council of Nagaland - Isak-Muivah (NSCN-IM)

    33. People's United Liberation Front (PULF)

    34. Kuki National Army (KNA)

    35. Kuki Revolutionary Army (KRA)

    36. Kuki National Organisation (KNO)

    37. Kuki Independent Army (KIA)

    38. Kuki Defence Force (KDF)

    39. Kuki International Force (KIF)

    40. Kuki National Volunteers (KNV)

    41. Kuki Liberation Front (KLF)

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    43. Kuki Liberation Army (KLA)

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    45. United Kuki Liberation Front (UKLF)

    46. Hmar People's Convention (HPC)

    47. Hmar People's Convention- Democracy (HPC-D)

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    70. Dashmesh Regiment

    71. Khalistan Liberation Organisation (KLO)

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    95. Tripura National Democratic Tribal Force (TNDTF)

    96. National Militia of Tripura (NMT)

    97. All Tripura Bengali Regiment (ATBR)

    98. Bangla Mukti Sena (BMS)

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    100. Tripura National Army (TNA)

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    102. Borok National Council of Tripura (BNCT)

    103. Mizoram

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    December 12, 2014 at 5:25 pm |
  26. banasy

    I am a member of the Communist party. Raipe your mama Rupert. It is culturally acceptable.

    December 12, 2014 at 6:48 pm |
  27. Rob Porter

    It is very interesting to note that if one writes a blog on here that doesn't support Fareed Zakarai's position and elaborates on one's reason's for not doing so, your comment does not see the light of day. So please, CNN, you are utter hypocrites in regard to censorship. This is Obama's America, isn't it? – where the talk is about 'transparency', but no real transparency exists. America is a rapidly fading democracy. You really have degenerated into a useless crowd of imbeciles. Pro-American most of my life, I'm saddened to see a once great country, through the foolishness of its electorate and unbridled corruption, degenerate into a heap of Obama pigs droppings.

    December 14, 2014 at 1:37 pm |
  28. Bayu Angora

    Interesting insight about justice and morality.

    July 15, 2019 at 10:59 am |
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